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Model A banjo rear mated to 9" axles?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by scibjenkins, Dec 24, 2013.

  1. scibjenkins
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    I saw the article about Mike Herman's A coupe and was impressed by the use of 9" axles in a 40 Ford rear housing. So I got to wondering, "has anyone ever put 9" axles in a stock Model A axle housing?".

    So has anyone ever done this before?
     
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2013
  2. I have not done this, but have thought about it. I have a banjo under the rear of my 27 T and would like to have the safety of axle retainers just in case. I have read a few article's and have seen a step- by- step tech on it, but got kinda discouraged due to some of the steps are out of my ability. If you decide to do it please post a tech on it so it might inspire me again.
     
  3. There has been threads on this subject they use 28 spline axles did you try a search?
     
  4. scibjenkins
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    I haven't done a real thorough search yet, Jeff. I do remember seeing a tech thread on here, but I believe that was for a '40 banjo.

    I guess I should do a little more digging and see if I uncover anything.
     

  5. Flat Ernie
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    Doesn't Hot Rod Works in Nampa, ID do this?
     
  6. need louvers ?
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    I'm not aware of this in a Model "A" rear, it's been fairly common in V8 rears for ever. Before Ford 9" stuff the trick used to be done with '49-'54 Merc stuff or Ford truck stuff from '49 -'56. I really can't see this being a doer on Model "A" stuff because the ring and pinion and differential are quite a bit smaller than V8 stuff, and side gears have to be ground down and the case machined to fit in the V8 stuff.
     
  7. I had a Halibrand quicky with 56 ford truck axels and spiders. Worked really well.
     
  8. scibjenkins
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    That's what my thoughts were too. Just wanted to see if anyone has defied logic and did it anyway.

    Thanks for the feedback guys, I just had to ask.

     
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  10. need louvers ?
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    Wow, good to be proven wrong in this case! That's awfully expensive though.
     
  11. 28rpu
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    Have you heard of economies of scale?
     
  12. need louvers ?
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    Yes, I have. My point is that it is a batch of money to something that I can honestly see no real reason to do. The V8 version is a much stronger axle, with the same availability of going to the later axles in a much less expensive manner. The use of these axles behind all but a massively hopped four banger is sort of a waste because the originals would serve just as well. I can't think of a class racing application that would require the smaller lighter rear end and require a positively located and retained wheel assembly.

    About the only reason I can think of for this to be available is someone who was stuck on using his original rear end under an early '32 and wanted to plug in a hot flat head. It still would behoove at that point to go to the later V8 stuff.

    I'm not begrudging Hot Rod Works for making it in any way, and I am quite familiar with what it would take to machine and produce something like this. Just can't quite figure out why...
     
  13. Flat Ernie
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    I thought HRW did it. I explored this several years ago when looking for a traditionally styled rear for a Model-Y that would get a V8-60 transplant...they narrow the banjos too, which would be required in this installation.
     
  14. ronnieroadster
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    I machine banjo housings and related parts to put 8 or 9 inch axles in the Halibrand conversions that I do. The Model A axle housing diameters as well as the carrier bearing hub size and the spider gear style are all to small to work with the conversion for drop in axles.
     

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