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Technical ***May 2024 Banger Meet Thread - Remember your Mom this month***

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Jiminy, May 2, 2024.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
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    Link to previous month: April 2024 Banger Meet

    Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
    May 26, 2024 4 Ever 4 Antique Nationals at Irwindale Raceway in SoCal.

    Stay safe.


    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $34.00 all color except for the oldest pictures (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
    Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
    email: [email protected]
    phone: 951-695-7313.


    A few links to speed equipment companies there may be more
    https://specialtymotorcams.com/index.php#header
    http://www.millerhi-speedheads.com/index.html
    http://www.modelatrader.com/brumfield/brumfield.html
    https://www.hotforhotfours.com/advertisers.htm
    https://www.secretsofspeed.com/speed-parts

    Bert's, Synder's, Mikes affordable also list some speed performance parts.

    Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498


    Banger basics. another info link list:
    http://www.fordgarage.com/


    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/may-bang-er-thread.470853/page-4#post-5212157
    and this link shows the missing image from the above post
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-work-on-bangers.1010716/page-3#post-11427055


    The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/the-4-banger-hot-rod-picture-thread.997051/


    Model B rod bearing insert numbers
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484


    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
    http://web.archive.org/web/20120415...e.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html


    Adjusting dual Strombergs:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461


    Helpful Model A tools and tips:
    http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html


    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109


    Elrod's stuck head tech:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487


    Model A generator to alternator conversion:
    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html


    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:
    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173


    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"
    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465


    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10


    T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226


    Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
    http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/headcompressionratio.htm
     
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  2. Kevin Pharis
    Joined: Aug 22, 2020
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    Kevin Pharis

    WOW! Never been 1st before…!
     
  3. I'm here
     
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  4. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
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  5. Fabber McGee
    Joined: Nov 22, 2013
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    Wow, Daddyo, that looks like really high compression. Will you have to round over those sharp edges to prevent hot spots and pre-ignition? Cool shit, my man.
     
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  6. denis4x4
    Joined: Apr 23, 2005
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    Was hoping to get the A running this weekend, NAPA let me down on delivering some key parts.
     
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  7. Airborne34
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    from Texas

    Checking in!
     
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  8. Kevin Pharis
    Joined: Aug 22, 2020
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    Kevin Pharis

    Anyone heading to Bakersfield for the swap meet on Saturday…? I’ll have a spread of Winfield and Buffalo goodies set up. Don’t recall the space number off hand, but know I’ll be near the back fence with all the other prewar crew:cool:


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  9. 29Sleeper
    Joined: Oct 25, 2023
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    from SoCal

    Antique Nationals
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  10. 4BangerDean
    Joined: Aug 10, 2013
    Posts: 257

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    Checking in, Got the later gearset in the B box. It’ll be running soon.
    IMG_5981.jpeg
     
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  11. alchemy
    Joined: Sep 27, 2002
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    I’ll be doing that on my current project. Do they fit the same as a later V8 case, or do you need to do the drop the cluster thingy?
     
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  12. 4BangerDean
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    It’s the first time I’ve ever taken a transmission apart. It really wasn’t too difficult but I learned quite a bit. From my understanding if you’re putting the gearset in the correct case, the front retainer bearing is pressed on the main shaft before assembly. On the B case the bearing needs to be pressed on with the input shaft in the case. I guess in some instances the B case needs to be clearanced for the cluster gear. My case didn’t require this.
     
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  13. Savage Coupe
    Joined: Jun 20, 2020
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    from Washington

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  14. Dan from Oakland
    Joined: Jan 16, 2009
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    More pics please and a little history!!!!!
     
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  15. Stovebolt
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    A deal that was in the wind since forever finally came off (in part) for me last weekend.

    I got 'paid' for a bunch of stuff in the form of a repop stromberg 81.

    The dealer out here agreed to swap an unopened 97 for another 81.

    My friend and I drive over to purchase one 81 and swap over the other one ...... and they only have one 81.

    So my plan to set up my twin carb intake over our winter incurred an indefinite delay.

    Oh well, I'll just have to sit back and read the banger threads until it arrives
     
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  16. BLACKNRED
    Joined: May 8, 2010
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  17. winduptoy
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    Checking in.....
     
  18. wuga
    Joined: Sep 21, 2008
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    May the four be with you.
    Warren
     
  19. Crazydaddyo
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    Still scratching my head on this one. This is a "one of these days" projects. The pistons have room for improvement.

    .
     
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  20. CDO

    we should chat about this in the future
    I may have some pistons that came from this setup

    J
     
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  21. 29Sleeper
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    from SoCal

  22. Kevin Pharis
    Joined: Aug 22, 2020
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    Not sure why I bought it… but the price was right! Hell, I don’t even own a model A;)

    Anyone have the drawings to machine this thing…?

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  23. 4BangerDean
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    Looks very interesting. I hope it can be identified. I haven’t seen much Bsnger speed equipment here in Illinois.
     
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  24. Kevin Pharis
    Joined: Aug 22, 2020
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    Kevin Pharis

    It’s a pretty rough casting and also has a touch of corrosion on one corner. There are also some small welds here and there to fill imperfections and voids. I believe the corrosion will be removed during machining and it should hold oil when done. Don’t know if I need to keep it, but would definitely like to finish the machine work either way…
     
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  25. Dan from Oakland
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    Musta been made for a heck of a stroker with those pads on the sides for rod clearance!!
     
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  26. 25mercury
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    DSC05159.jpeg Hey Kevin, You can borrow mine.
     
  27. joemac05
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    What is that, an oil pan, please advise... ??? :eek:
     
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  28. Kevin Pharis
    Joined: Aug 22, 2020
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    Kevin Pharis

    Wowza Mike! Yours has a muuuch nicer mold quality than mine. Interesting how several of the pan bolts were abandoned due to the rod clearance. Mine is not relieved under the front oil seal, just a big hunk of aluminum. At first I thought this was a crappy copy of someone’s work of art, but the sand mold would have required several cores and mold inserts that would not have been easy to fake on the fly. Someone spent a lot of time making the patterns for this thing… then never finished it:rolleyes:
     
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  29. 25mercury
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    from California

    phr-1964-jg-4copy.jpeg Kevin, I had a rough casting like yours and sold it to the late Bob Lee 35 years ago. I bought it from a fellow who had a lot of Gemsa stuff and he told me it was Gemsa. I wonder if that's the casting I sold Bob. The pan in my photo is an older Dan Price piece, who told me he cast it from the Rutherford patterns that he had. Note that there is no provision for an oil pump, you must run a pump off the front timing cover. The magneto cross drive cover in my picture is an Evans with a dry sump pump. You're welcome to borrow my pan if it will help with machining.
     
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  30. Outback
    Joined: Mar 4, 2005
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    Outback
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    You just never can tell what cool parts turn up each month!
    Oh yeah I'm here :)
     
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