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Technical ***May 2018 Banger Meet - May Your Build Go Smoothly***

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Jiminy, Apr 30, 2018.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
    Posts: 431


    Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)

    May 12th Antique Nationals at Fontana

    May 19th The Jalopy Showdown
    Lincoln Speedway 800 Racetrack Road Abbottstown PA contact

    June 1-3 Hot Rod Dirt Drags
    Movie Manor, Monte Vista, Colorado

    The event is held at the Arkansas Aeroplex (The Blytheville-Gosnell Regional Airport) at 4701 Memorial Drive in Blytheville, Arkansas.

    June 8-10 The Race of Gentlemen
    Wildwood, New Jersey

    June 20-23 MTFCI Speedster Chapter 15th Annual Tour:
    Wednesday, June 20 through Saturday, June 23.
    Grand Rapids Michigan, near Lake Michigan and the Gilmore Car Museum.
    Official Page for Registration:
    Chapter Page with LOTS of pics from previous rallies:

    July 6 - 8 F.A.S.T.
    A gathering at an unnamed ranch Fri. 6th during the day.
    A "cook your Own" steak dinner at the San Luis Obispo Elks lodge Friday July 6th night..
    Santa Margarita Ranch "Trials" July 7th,
    "Early Ford" show in Atascadero Lake Park Sunday July 8th
    Phil Farber 805-544-8856 E-MAIL

    September 14-16, Hot Rod Hill Climb
    Central City, Colorado

    The event is held at the Arkansas Aeroplex (The Blytheville-Gosnell Regional Airport) at 4701 Memorial Drive in Blytheville, Arkansas.

    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $24.00 (includes S/H), PayPal welcome, to:
    Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
    phone: 951-695-7313.

    Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:

    Banger basics. another info link list:

    The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    and this link shows the missing image from the above post

    The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.

    Model B rod bearing insert numbers

    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge

    Adjusting dual Strombergs:

    Helpful Model A tools and tips:

    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:

    Elrod's stuck head tech:

    Model A generator to alternator conversion:

    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:

    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:

    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"

    Chevy Banger Stuff

    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber

    T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:

    New Banger Block in the Works
    Last edited: May 30, 2018
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  2. RussTee
    Joined: Mar 25, 2008
    Posts: 1,226


    Here talking plugs What are you guys using for plugs in your Thomas heads heat range ect?
  3. May again, El Mirage in two weeks.
    not even close to being ready.............
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  4. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
    Posts: 3,251


    I have ordered pistons for my 5 main build.

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  5. winduptoy
    Joined: Feb 19, 2013
    Posts: 2,856


    Checking in
    That's cool Crazydaddyo
    Good luck.
  6. how much CR?

  7. denis4x4
    Joined: Apr 23, 2005
    Posts: 3,952

    from Colorado

    Been using the Zipper as a DD for the past week as my F-150 was in the shop. Will take it to a coffee run Saturday.
  8. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
    Posts: 3,251


    Keeping it the same as the engine it will replace @ 9-1

  9. waxhead
    Joined: May 11, 2013
    Posts: 1,173

    from West Oz

    What pistons did you order?? When will our blocks be ready??
  10. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
    Posts: 3,251


    They are custom pistons from Race Tec. It is a modern style piston with a full floating pin, and total seal rings. Fingers crossed that I'll send the block for finish machine and fitting by the end of the month.

  11. Jukenut13
    Joined: Feb 10, 2013
    Posts: 29


    Hi , I'm using NGK BP6 hs
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  12. DSC01412.jpg Read Mr. Eastwoods post on cowl steering design compromises. Learned that when I designed and built my last one, that it turns out I inadvertently did a good thing. By having the pivot point for the split wishbones behind the drag link and having the center of the draglink pivot point at the front hub on the center line of the axle and having the centerline of the rear pivot point for the wishbone close to the centerline of the drag link I avoided a lot of nasty issues (bump steer). I also set the akerman angle. The chassis was rock steady at 80mph and I honestly don't recall any issues with bump steer. But now I know something!...maybe.
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  13. Very good sounding, 9:1 should allow for street driving and no exotic fuel. Which head? Eubanks?

  14. V4F
    Joined: Aug 8, 2008
    Posts: 4,306

    from middle ca.

    john , why not ready . you had all winter ! lol
  15. Furb- I bet the sight of your big frame stuffed into that seat going 80 must've been amazing :D
  16. Binger
    Joined: Apr 28, 2008
    Posts: 1,733

    from wyoming

    Checking in for the month!
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  17. You are right, I had all winter.
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  18. Getting prepped to go to VARA's "British Extravaganza"...Some cars to contend with are a 1950 Cad-Allard J2; a 1931 Alfa-Romeo "Monza" and a Bugatti Lagonda (what ever that is?) millermaint008-1.jpg
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  19. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
    Posts: 3,251


    This one is going in Pop's truck, so it will get the Rutherford.

    The Eubanks head has special pop up pistons, so it will go in the next one. Maybe a shorter stroke and longer rods. We'll see when and if those blocks materialize. :rolleyes:

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  20. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
    Posts: 3,251


    What engine combo are you going to run?

  21. same as last year, just putting it back together Moller. The valves are a mess, probably have to make new ones.
    new driveshaft in the break stand, this one will not seperate.........J
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  22. RussTee
    Joined: Mar 25, 2008
    Posts: 1,226


    Thanks will give them a try
  23. Checking in- with G28T engine and B gears in the chassis: IMG_2421.JPG IMG_2422.JPG
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  24. walls
    Joined: Oct 6, 2005
    Posts: 552


    I’m looking for a little direction on where to start.
    Engine seemed to run fine before the winter, although it was new to me(drove it around the block a couple times).
    Did a bunch of work to the car over the winter and just started it up yesterday after not being started since December.
    White/gray smoke
    Head gasket? Cracked block? Stuck valves?
    Where would you start?
  25. noboD
    Joined: Jan 29, 2004
    Posts: 7,977


    What kind of storage over winter? How long did you have it running to warm up?
  26. Take off the cap and sniff the radiator. If it smells like exhaust, you've got combustion blowing into your cooling system. If your still unsure: Leave the cap off and start the engine.. If it starts bubbling over you've got your blown head gasket, or worse a cracked block or head.
    Check the compression..(Make sure you have the throttle completely open)..If you have a low cylinder or you have a jumble of readings (over 5" to 10" or more), squirt some oil in the low cylinder(s)...If another comp. test shows the cylinder has come up; it's the rings..If it doesn't, it's the valves. If it is the rings, put some high detergent oil (like "Marvel Mystery" of ATV) in the cylinder and let it sit. Some guys will have other stuff to free up rings.
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  27. walls
    Joined: Oct 6, 2005
    Posts: 552


    Stored in a garage with no heat, but had antifreeze in.
    Didn’t run too long, 5-10 mins maybe. 3 times now.

    I’ll need to pick up a compression gauge on the way home from work.
    Thanks for the suggestions, I’ll keep you posted.
  28. Monkeys and footballs. Somewhere Heyitsnate posted a great pic of it at speed on the way home from a very early billetproof. Think I have one more of it after I put the second body on.

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  29. Holy Smokes, May 3rd today......
    Antique Nationals at Fontana on May 12th, just in time for Mothers Day.


    Attached Files:

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  30. Tired of messing with my model B fuel pump. What is the recomended 6 volt electric pump to feed dual 97's on a 8:1 compression motor.

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