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Technical ***March 2020 Banger Meet Thread***

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Jiminy, Feb 29, 2020.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
    Posts: 404


    Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
    February 2nd
    Hope the groundhog doesn't see his shadow

    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $34.00 all color except for the oldest pictures (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
    Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
    phone: 951-695-7313.

    Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:

    Banger basics. another info link list:

    The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    and this link shows the missing image from the above post

    The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.

    Model B rod bearing insert numbers

    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge

    Adjusting dual Strombergs:

    Helpful Model A tools and tips:

    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:

    Elrod's stuck head tech:

    Model A generator to alternator conversion:

    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:

    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:

    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"

    Chevy Banger Stuff

    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber

    T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:

    New Banger Block in the Works

    Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
  2. winduptoy
    Joined: Feb 19, 2013
    Posts: 2,567


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  3. noboD
    Joined: Jan 29, 2004
    Posts: 7,780


    It's still February here.
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  4. denis4x4
    Joined: Apr 23, 2005
    Posts: 3,786

    from Colorado


    Maybe......maybe not

  5. Took the coupe for a ride this morning
    Nice day for it

    March already 20 is flying on by
  6. IMG_20200202_183426_976.jpg IMG_20200202_183426_981.jpg 20200205_070502.jpg Finished my part of the Speedster a few weeks ago.
    Working on a narrowed 23T with an early decklid now. 20200220_174048.jpg And I have an awesome fun doodlebug for sale if anyone is interested.
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  7. rwrj
    Joined: Jan 30, 2009
    Posts: 675

    from SW Ga

    Checking in. Got the dual SU H6's installed and running pretty well.


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  8. Binger
    Joined: Apr 28, 2008
    Posts: 1,732

    from wyoming

    Checking in for the month. not much new going on in Cheyoming. The Wife and I were able to put 100 miles on our coupe Friday and Saturday. In Wyoming during winter you have to take advantage of the rare 50 degree day with dry streets when they come. Looking for a Dual intake that sweeps up to clear a lake style header. Does anybody have something? I am probably going to get one of the nice ones gear drive makes but thought I would see if anybody here has one for sale. I would also be interested in a single intake that would work with a lake header also.
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  9. Binger
    Joined: Apr 28, 2008
    Posts: 1,732

    from wyoming


    Here is an example of the header I have that I need an intake for. Please let me know if you want to sell a single or dual that will work. Thanks.

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  10. walls
    Joined: Oct 6, 2005
    Posts: 542


    I know this isn’t exactly banger specific, but figured you guys would know.
    The barb fitting is what I removed from my Winfield carb.
    I wanted to use the stock gas line, but it doesn’t seem to seat properly in the carb.
    I don’t want to over tighten it and ruin the threads.
    What am I doing wrong here?

    The model A supply houses just call the fitting a 9/16 hex- what is the proper name for this fitting and are these two fittings effectively the same?
    Thanks 23A38808-4230-4C80-A4B6-748E5CD007B5.jpeg 34F1E8C1-EAF2-44ED-A8FE-55C7E95FE6EE.jpeg
    Last edited: Mar 2, 2020
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  11. Dustyp489
    Joined: Feb 1, 2008
    Posts: 164


    Checking in, swap meets start soon need to move some A parts
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  12. Johnny Nitro
    Joined: Sep 28, 2005
    Posts: 71

    Johnny Nitro
    from Chicago

    Woohoo! Can’t wait to see the updates on everyone’s rides!
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  13. From what I seen Winfield used two different size fittings, 1/8 or 1/4 npt fuel inlet. You should be able to find these at Napa. If yours leaks the seat could be scored or you have to much tubing exposed and the furrel is not letting the fitting tighten all the way. I would not want a solid line from fire wall to carb. Too much body movement.
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  14. V4F
    Joined: Aug 8, 2008
    Posts: 4,210

    from middle ca.

    am I getting old , or is time going faster ?
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  15. walls
    Joined: Oct 6, 2005
    Posts: 542


    I was going to run the hard line with a rubber connection right before the carb.

    I’ll post it here once up and running.
  16. fourd
    Joined: Jan 17, 2013
    Posts: 87

    from Colorado

    March in Colorado, I love it! It was sunny and 60+ Saturday and then blowing snow sideways yesterday.

    I would like to take my car to the Antique Nationals in May. Having never run a 1/4 mile race with my car I am searching for gear ratio recommendations (quick change rear). Charts tell me 3.58 for 1/4 mile with my assumptions plugged in. Any recommendations for a typical hopped up banger?

    I have:3.78 R&P with a quick change rear, current gear set @ 4.68. 31" Dia Tires, V8 Trans w/ 28t gear set, OHV 4 port head. (I have a 25t trans gear set on my shelf that I know nothing about)
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  17. Hank56
    Joined: Apr 19, 2013
    Posts: 72

    from NC

    Plugging along...still have lots to do but it’s getting there... 77C87E69-6735-45C3-8B01-9E5798B0CE81.jpeg
  18. luckylou
    Joined: Jan 6, 2008
    Posts: 90

    from canada

    Installed a tattersfeild Intake and stromberg carb today,,,, I have a model b distributor to put in my model. Pickup, do I need to get a model b distributor driveshafe? Seems like the model a one is one piece.? . Can someone enlighten me on this?

    Attached Files:

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  19. Steve,
    Yes, you are getting older and time is flying by.
    But, the older I get the faster I was...........that's my story and I am sticking to it!

  20. Checking in - this made me chuckle, @johnneilson! Thanx. :D
    Steve @V4F, we're all getting older - so you're not alone in the matter.;)

    Looks good!
  21. 97
    Joined: May 18, 2005
    Posts: 1,957


    I don't know what the Winfield size is , however I know the
    Model A Zenith and Stromberg 97, Holley 94 all use an AN 1/2" fitting , 20tpi thread, outside diameter is 12.7mm
    1/8 NPT is 27tpi , od 10.29mm ,.
    and 1/4 NPT is 18tpi. outside diameter is 13.72mm
    I know measuring in mm is foreign to most Americans ( especially talking about old cars , but that is how my charts read . The difference in diameter of 1mm between AN 1/2" and NPTF 1/4 is about .040" (40 thou) just enough to give you a headache.
    NPT - American Taper Pipe Thread
    = National Pipe Taper

    NPTF - American Taper Pipe Thread for Dryseal joint without sealant compound
    = National Pipe Taper Fuel

    NPT and NPTF appear to be identical. Both have the same pitch diameter at the top of the hole of the internal thread or end of the pipe on external threads and both have the same thread lengths or depths. However, there is a subtle difference in the root and crest diameters of the threads.
    The sealing tapers are possibly slightly different on the two fittings , common angles are 30 and 37 degrees, which is quite hard to see unless you have a gauge of some kind.
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2020
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  22. rwrj
    Joined: Jan 30, 2009
    Posts: 675

    from SW Ga

    I just used the Model A shaft. Seems to be working fine. If that's not right, hopefully someone will chime in.
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  23. I just put an aircraft oil pressure gauge in my car and not knowing, those AN fittings drove me nuts till I got it sorted out. After reading your reply I went and checked the Winfield parts catalog as I was going by memory. He made two fuel screening inlets. One 1/8 and one 1/4.
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  24. railcarmover
    Joined: Apr 30, 2017
    Posts: 670


    Picked up a hand full of 1/2 NF phosphate coated grade 8 'tall' nuts I have main bearing bolt nuts with great grip for the rest of my natural life for 6 dollars and eighty two cents..woo-hoo
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  25. V4F
    Joined: Aug 8, 2008
    Posts: 4,210

    from middle ca.

    john , your saying BOTH are happening at the same time ! I used to be fast also , but cant remember when ………..
  26. Yeah! But you gotta remember: "The First Liar Doesn't have a Chance"! And, "Maybe that wasn't the way it was; but that's the way it should'a been"!
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  27. montereyawards (2017_12_27 02_23_16 UTC).jpeg "Of all the Gin Mills, in all the towns all over the World; she had to walk into mine!"
    RMMR2015-2 (2017_06_30 03_13_08 UTC).jpg
    That guy! Ever since he was a kid, would do anything for a trophy!
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  28. Had a good day and got a title for my truck. Used the old CA pinkslip that seller signed in 1980 and has been passed through a number of people (Truck and pink slip) since then. Wrote my name in the buyer section and went in with all my applications forms filled in correctly and the nice lady OK'ed it after struggling to find info on the pink slip...."EL thats an El camino. 1930 ford? no Maam thats a model A.....
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  29. railcarmover
    Joined: Apr 30, 2017
    Posts: 670


    Ive found that a smooth and caring line of bullshit works wonders at the State Home for the Incompetent..gotta love the fools who blurt out "there's a vin number on the frame"
  30. CGkidd
    Joined: Mar 2, 2002
    Posts: 2,868


    Anyone on here have a B crank they would sell? Non counter weight will work. Mine ended up being cracked.

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