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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Jiminy, Mar 1, 2016.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
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    Here is the banger link list:

    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Flat Ernie maintains the monthly link list. Every month is listed:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498

    Banger basics. another info link list:

    http://www.fordgarage.com/

    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/may-bang-er-thread.470853/page-4#post-5212157
    and this link shows the missing image from the above post
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-work-on-bangers.1010716/page-3#post-11427055

    Model B rod bearing insert numbers
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484


    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
    http://web.archive.org/web/20120415174357/http://www.centuryperformance.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html

    Adjusting dual Strombergs:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461

    Helpful Model A tools and tips:

    http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html

    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109

    Elrod's stuck head tech:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487

    Model A generator to alternator conversion:

    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html

    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:

    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173

    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"

    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/22469332/The-High-Speed-Internal-Combustion-Engine-Ricardo-1931

    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10


    T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226


    New Banger Block in the Works
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/new-banger-block-in-the-works.616056/
     
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  2. Binger
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    Thanks for starting the March Banger Meet Jiminy.
     
  3. Bluto
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    One eyed but still here!
     
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  4. Crazydaddyo
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    Nothing new, but still watching.

    .
     
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  5. Hey if I run an A head on a B block, does it matter which A water pump you use? do the pulleys line up?
     
  6. ebtm3
    Joined: May 23, 2007
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    In order asked

    NO

    YES

    Herb
     
  7. denis4x4
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    Checking in..
     
  8. 28dreyer
    Joined: Jan 23, 2008
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    28dreyer
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    from Minnesota

    DocImage8.jpg Me and the hot rod Banger I built in 1951.

    Z ed and channeled, B block, Thomas head, full pressured, Mallory, juice brakes, split wishbones, dropped axle, '32 grille.

    Bought it for $95 in 1950 at age 15. Had a windshield but only top was a sheet metal removable. In 1950 a Model A was still a driver, not a collector car due to WWII.
     
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  9. V4F
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    from middle ca.

    definitely a poor boys hot rod ........

    one heck of a motor
     
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  10. RussTee
    Joined: Mar 25, 2008
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    28dryer That would have been a fairly advanced hotrod at that time?
     
  11. Fired up the Fordor after a couple of years stored in a friends barn, and drove it 70 miles home after throwing in some fresh fuel. Excellent fun. Need to build a lean-to at the new place to tuck it away now.
     
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  12. 28dreyer Very cool car, motor build sounds like someone knew there stuff. Am surprised that the top radiator hose didn't give you problems.
     
  13. Binger
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    @28dreyer thanks for sharing that great picture. love hearing the stories behind cars too.
     
  14. 28dreyer
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    from Minnesota

    imUOTE="62pan, post: 11413496, member: 57734"]28dreyer Very cool car, motor build sounds like someone knew there stuff. Am surprised that the top radiator hose didn't give you problems.[/QUOTE]

    Not as much trouble as one of the two fan blades that broke off during a street drag, fortunately when the hood was on. and wiped out the water pump casting from the imbalance and put a distinctive custom contour on the hood. The bang was humungous and at first I thought I had blown the engine!
     
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  15. 28dreyer
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    Mechanically yes, but at that time in our area very few rods were finished off like they are these days and those were more frequently seen in CA. Maybe that's why today they are called rat rods, maybe a contraction of retro rods or does it refer to the look of their condition?
     
  16. RussTee
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    also guys where younger with less income overall the cars where the best they could do
     
  17. denis4x4
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    Having Earl Schibe and $19.95 paint jobs in SoCal, most of the guys in the late fifties had shiny cars
     
  18. noboD
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    Herb, did you ever use one of the scrapers to turn down a crank? The one that looks like a tubing cutter with a scraper blade instead of the roller?
     
  19. johnneilson
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    SCN_0003.jpg
    maybe not, this pic is pre-war
     
  20. waxhead
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    Off to a good start for the month. Some nice looking old banger pics above.

    Here's hoping I can get my Winfield parts bolted onto my Banger this month.
     
  21. Binger
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    Still working along on my coupe. Hope to start priming things by the middle of the month. I do have a question.

    I am running a newer Mallory Dual Point distributor that I was told was 6V. I was wondering what coil and condenser and ballast resistor is everyone running for a 12V system. I know the condenser has to match the coil to work properly. I am planning on running copper core plug wires also. I thought I could find these parts at my local Napa store. Does anybody have any part numbers that they are using on their cars?
     
  22. burl
    Joined: Nov 28, 2007
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    from Minnesota

    fast four.JPG No engine pics but have a good running model a banger going in until I can get the dodge fast four rebuilt and running.The fast four is a pretty cool engine.Five main bearings and a lot of other cool stuff that was ahead of the rest as far as technology.
     
  23. PhredH
    Joined: Feb 28, 2015
    Posts: 55

    PhredH

    3.27 Ring and Pinion
    I'm looking to build up a "touring" differential for my Model A phaeton.
    If anyone has a 3.27 : 1 ring and pinion available for the Model A diff, please give me a shout. (Tooth count should be 36 on the ring and 11 on the pinion)
    Thanks
    Phred
    ph@herbsglass.com
     
  24. noboD
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    Burl, take a look at the Montana Dodge Boys website. Besides having too much fun they are truly going fast with a fast four.
     
  25. ebtm3
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    Doug, No, and I don't see how one could make anything but a mess. A cutting tool that wide will do nothing but chatter unless used in a machine of immense rigidity. There were rigs, used mostly during the depression, that would re-grind one throw. They hung the electric grinder off the throw in question, and spun the crank with either the starter or a roller stuck under one rear wheel. I have heard of mechanics using one, and getting a passable job back in the days of poured babbitt rods---probably finished up with a strip of emery cloth. At one time I had a two cylinder John Deere that had out of round rod throws. (about .010'') I filed the throws as close as I could, and finished up with the emery cloth treatment. Then milled the rod cap to take up the play, put it together and ran it. And ran it. And ran it-----

    Herb
     
  26. RichFox
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    I used Mitsubishi / Dodge Colt main bearings. mains.jpg 001.JPG
     
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  27. verde742
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    any interest in buying my car? IMG_0622.JPG FullSizeRender(56).jpg
     
  28. denis4x4
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    I shredded a fiber timing gear and trying to decide if I should go with aluminum. Not a lot of miles since the engine was rebuilt, but that was 20+ years ago. Cost is not really a consideration and I will replace the stock nut with one of the ones Bert's sells. Thoughts?
     
  29. V4F
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    from middle ca.

    I have aluminum & its fine . it does have a little clicking sound when cold but goes away when warm . its the clearance on the gears
     

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