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Technical ***June 2020 Banger Meet Thread - So Four So Good***

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Jiminy, Jun 1, 2020.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
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    Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
    Everything is cancelled


    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $34.00 all color except for the oldest pictures (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
    Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
    email: jimb4e4@gmail.com
    phone: 951-695-7313.


    Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498


    Banger basics. another info link list:
    http://www.fordgarage.com/


    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/may-bang-er-thread.470853/page-4#post-5212157
    and this link shows the missing image from the above post
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-work-on-bangers.1010716/page-3#post-11427055


    The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/the-4-banger-hot-rod-picture-thread.997051/


    Model B rod bearing insert numbers
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484


    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
    http://web.archive.org/web/20120415...e.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html


    Adjusting dual Strombergs:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461


    Helpful Model A tools and tips:
    http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html


    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109


    Elrod's stuck head tech:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487


    Model A generator to alternator conversion:
    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html


    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:
    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173


    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"
    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465


    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10


    T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226


    New Banger Block in the Works
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/new-banger-block-in-the-works.616056/


    Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
    http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/headcompressionratio.htm
     
  2. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
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    Checking in. Nothing new to report. Still no ETA on the 5 main block.

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  3. Bigcheese327
    Joined: Sep 16, 2001
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    Big news for me this month is that my straight-through Holley NH, high-volume intake, and Z head get delivered today!
     
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  4. Having a bang up time here in the central valley of CA. 270 miles on the new engine in my pickup and "old" engine out of the pickup going into my newly acquired roadster. Having a blast. :)

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  5. Bigcheese327
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    @mctim64 I've been meaning to ask. What's the overall plan for this new roadster? Or is it a surprise?
     
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  6. burl
    Joined: Nov 28, 2007
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    from Minnesota

    Checking in.And another month slides by with a car without an engine.Got the special head machined and checked for fit. banger.jpg
     
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  7. Overall plan is to bolt it together and drive it. Paint is fairly good, needs a little touch up but Justin is a wizard with paint and body. Other than being apart for 46 years it's in really good shape. New engine with rebuilt B tranny and we're good to go.

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    This was Floyd's coffee cup that sat on a shelf of a coffee shop in Reedley for many years, when Floyd would come in on a regular basis the waitress would pull it down and fill it for him as he would sit down. Just the way things were back in the day. My plan is to keep Floyd's old roadster looking pretty much like it looks on his old cup.
     
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  8. winduptoy
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  9. johnneilson
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    Checking in,
    Burl has been busy
    Dan is in holding pattern and I have been dogged with cammer motor that is just not cooperating.
    I will post pics once all the parts are in one place (assembled) and not in boxes everywhere else.
    J
     
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  10. guitarguy
    Joined: May 26, 2008
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    Definitely getting there, but I need to pull back some and do some house work while it's not blazing hot out.

    Speedster project 154.1.jpg
     
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  11. Mctim64, is that an air vent on the side of the cowl on your roadster?
     
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  12. Yes, both sides. Added on sometime in the fifties. The family I got the car from had owned it since 1950.
     
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  13. denis4x4
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    Been fighting radiator caps that won’t seal on a ‘29 threaded inlet. Put two gaskets in a plain reproduction cap and will check it out.
     
  14. 51504bat
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    Mctim,

    Loving the N series with the 8ba!

    N series with 8ba.jpg
     
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  15. winduptoy
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    Funk conversion. Believe it or not, the six cylinder version can put the hurt on the V8
    Sent from my XT1585 using The H.A.M.B. mobile app
     
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  16. Actually an awesome Henry kit. V8 sounds better than the six and looks cool. ;)
     
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  17. 51504bat
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    Does it have the Sherman Hi/Lo trans?
     
  18. railcarmover
    Joined: Apr 30, 2017
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    Wiring about half done,using old style cloth loom..old tractors? any Cletrac folks here?
     
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  19. railcarmover
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    V8 wont pull your hat off till it spools up some,no bueno for a tractor..
     
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  20. 97
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    You are starting to get a bit of a collection there Tim! What are the intake manifolds you are using? Where from...that stuff is hard to find down here .
     
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  21. Intakes are both Tattersfield from Tony Barron.
     
  22. No, just four forward one reverse.
     
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  23. Jet96
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    Checking in-
    Put some miles on the pickemup this weekend.It has pretty good power, this head seems to like about 15 degrees by 1200 rpm but no more than 20 at 2000. There's a fine line between too much and starting to make heat.I might put the stock distributor back in to get a feel for where it likes to be at different rpm. It's a nicely made head and I didn't get any bolts to move after only two heat/cool/torque cycles.
     
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  24. Jet96
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    It runs good for a work truck. It needs dual pipes I think... 55E35CDC-F583-45FB-9E64-1A127B517553.jpeg
     
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  25. winduptoy
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    @railcarmover
    Can you show a picture of the dampener itself?. Dampening a flywheel is thinking outside the box.Ive seen lovejoy couplers used on pump lashups and fiber ring gears but never a dampener..

    So, this is a photo of the 22lb lightweight one, on the flange side. The black plate covers a recess that has pucks installed in it. The pucks can move to offset... absorb the torsional action of the crank.
    I'll see if can pull a cover and photograph internals... but that's what it looks like on all three flywheel weights.
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  26. poshdbs
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    I was going to pop a pic. up when I pick mine up but you've already done it winduptoy!
     
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  27. 4bangerbob
    Joined: Jun 29, 2013
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    Question for the members.

    I am going to modify a fairly stock A engine and will modify the oil pump for higher volume and run the oil through a filter and then pressure lines to the front and centre mains.

    For lines and fittings what sizes of line and fittings are best to use?

    I will drill and tap into the bearing caps and was thinking either 1/8" NPT with 3 /16" or 1/4" compression copper lines or use AN or SAE fittings with 1/8" or 3/16" lines. Bearings are babbit. Rear main bearing will be gravity fed out of the valve chamber.

    The Brierley book states 3/16" or 1/4" lines at 20-30 psi pressure but no recomendation on size of fittings. The Iandola R & C article states 1/8" NPT fittings.

    Thanks
     
  28. johnneilson
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    Bob,

    This is what I have done in the past;
    I pull out the original gravity feed tubes, all 3.
    I then tap the hole where the tube fed into the bearing directly 1/8"npt
    I use a compression fitting without the retaining nut or sleeve.
    Feed a 1/4" copper line down thru the original gravity hole in the valve chamber and down into the fitting in the block.
    I use solder to retain the copper tube into the fitting, easy to do, not removable.
    Use "T" fittings in valve chamber to bring the lines and feed together.
    I would use a modified V8 pump with pressure relief, 25-50 psi is good.
    make sure to use silicone on the rear cap to keep weepage from leaking out the back.

    John
     
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  29. Crazydaddyo
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    Feels more like a government imposed quarantine then a holding pattern.

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  30. johnneilson
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    or a freakin curfew!!
     
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