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Technical ***June 2019 Banger Meet - Ready 4 summer/winter?***

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Jiminy, May 31, 2019.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
    Posts: 322

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    Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
    May 31 - June 2
    Hot Rod Dirt Drags
    Movie Manor
    Monte Vista, Colorado
    June 19-22 Speedsters Trials & Reunion
    Lincoln, Nebraska
    June 29th F.A.S.T. Time Trials at the Santa Margarita Ranch
    9 miles North of San Luis Obispo, off Highway 101
    September 14-16, 2018 The 5th Annual Hot Rod Hill Climb
    Central City, Colorado

    October 4th, 5th and 6th T.R.O.G. Wildwood, NJ
    2019 SCTA El Mirage Race Dates:

    All events are held at the El Mirage Dry Lake in Southern California.
    June 9th - ***CANCELLED**
    July 21st
    September15th
    October 20th
    November 9th - 10th
    2019 SCTA/BNI Bonneville Race Dates:

    The BNI has two major events each year at the Bonneville Salt Flats outside of Wendover Utah.
    August 10th - 16th, Speed Week
    October 1st - 4th, World Finals

    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:


    Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $34.00 all color except for the oldest pictures (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
    Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
    email: jimb4e4@gmail.com
    phone: 951-695-7313.


    Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498


    Banger basics. another info link list:
    http://www.fordgarage.com/


    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/may-bang-er-thread.470853/page-4#post-5212157
    and this link shows the missing image from the above post
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-work-on-bangers.1010716/page-3#post-11427055


    The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/the-4-banger-hot-rod-picture-thread.997051/


    Model B rod bearing insert numbers
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484


    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
    http://web.archive.org/web/20120415...e.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html


    Adjusting dual Strombergs:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461


    Helpful Model A tools and tips:
    http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html


    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109


    Elrod's stuck head tech:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487


    Model A generator to alternator conversion:
    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html


    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:
    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173


    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"
    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465


    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10


    T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226


    New Banger Block in the Works
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/new-banger-block-in-the-works.616056/


    Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
    http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/headcompressionratio.htm
     
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  2. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
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    Getting the same answer every time now. " It is getting closer to the machine"

    He talks about having new ones cast, but can't seam to finish what he has already started.

    I'm getting closer to F it .


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  3. I thought I had patience but I do believe you have me beat crazzydaddyo.
     
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  4. denis4x4
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    Getting ready for the Speedster Reunion in Lincoln.
     
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  5. Jiminy
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    "Bill Lattin the SCTA President made a trip to El Mirage today. Due to the unsafe conditions from the stress cracks on the lakebed, the June Meet has been Officially Cancelled. There is no return road and the stress cracks between the course and return road are severe and unfilled."
     
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  6. lonewolf52
    Joined: Feb 24, 2009
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    Hi folks,
    Looking for some opinions on banger running rough...
    It’s a ‘29 motor with a police head, otherwise stock for the moment.
    Last Sunday I drove to a swap meet about 65 miles each way. The car ran perfect 50-55 mph the whole way. It sat for about 2 hours and ran perfect MOST of the way home. With about 10 miles to go I stopped for gas and a drink so it sat for 15 minutes-ish. The rest of the way home it ran very poorly - lack of power, struggling up hill, poor responsiveness. No back fires.

    Conditions and thoughts:
    -On the way 55 to 65 degrees
    -On the way back 70 to 80 degrees
    -Engine temp idling in the driveway upon return (infrared) 180 average
    -No improvement adjusting timing on column
    -Head nut torque good
    -Plugs look perfect
    -Loosened gas cap in case of a venting issue
    -Vapor lock? Fuel line was cool. Maybe carb bowl but why did it run so well before?
    -Bad gas? Doubtful

    Any thoughts?


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  7. Tim
    Joined: Mar 2, 2001
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    from Raytown Mo

  8. johnneilson
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    It’s going to be a sparse race season this year
     
  9. 97
    Joined: May 18, 2005
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    Yep possibly bad fuel, at the fuel stop , maybe even diesel by mistake?
    Seized valve or valves ( in guide) , as it cooled?
    Head gasket blown between cylinders
    burned points, maybe if you left the ignition on by mistake? and/or and condensor?
    flooding....fuel intake needle and seat hanging up or sunk float . Can happen after fuel is run low.
     
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  10. Binger
    Joined: Apr 28, 2008
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    The hot rod dirt drags are in full swing. Many more bangers here than I have seen in the past. I haven’t taken many pictures because I am having so much fun! Here is a couple.

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  11. noboD
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    Thanks John, I like the Fronty.
     
  12. hopefully this will b the month my motor finally is done......
     
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  14. railcarmover
    Joined: Apr 30, 2017
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    Auburn T club swaps today...saw some neat shit,an NOS 'C' Crank,still in cosmoline..Grabbed a couple of B carbs.. thumbnail (92).jpg
     
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  15. johnneilson
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    Found in a UN-disclosed location yesterday, set of Titanium Cunningham rods for a "B" motor.
    Need to verify CL dist, but looks on yard stick to be 7-9/16" (Pontiac length) with Chevy small end.
    Somebody needs these, seriously light and strong. Unused set, never had bearings in them.

    John
     
  16. What were they asking for C crank?


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  17. Crazydaddyo
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    You have perked my interest. Are the big ends wide journals like Ford, or narrow like Pontiac? Are they split at 90°, or are they canted ?

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  18. Crazydaddyo
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    I run a B carb and intake on my stock 1930 Tudor. There was a noticeable increase in acceleration, but it certainly didn't blind me.
    It does give me the confidence to out drive the brakes
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  19. johnneilson
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    Dan
    Typical Cunningham split is canted 40-45 degrees
    Yes wide journal for B/C crank
    Small end is .927 Chevy pin
    Bearings are available but will require narrowing

    John
     
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  20. Jet96
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  21. Crazydaddyo
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    This just posted on Facebook:
    Here is a picture of the new Model A block outside assembly. I hope to be pouring an iron and aluminum sample soon. These first 2 will have the modeled 2nd and 4th mains instead of the filed in version that is ready to get machined. They will be made in 3 main style, of course. Momentum.
     

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  22. surf10
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    Hi guys,

    Bit of a question on valve port flow. I've had a search on here and found a lot of information on flat head v8s but wondered if anyone on here has played with increasing the flow of a flat head 4 banger ( without going to and OHV conversion).
    - Tiding up the intake runners and valve guide bosses
    - Possibly re-leaving the block?
    I'm sure the basic principles are the same but was interested to hear from someones experience.

    cheers Craig
     
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  23. Crazydaddyo
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  24. surf10
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    Thanks for posting that I’ll have alook.


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  25. railcarmover
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    railcarmover

    800 bucks..I don't think it sold,I know who owns it..
     
  26. railcarmover
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    railcarmover

    Picked them up cheap,rummaged around the shop,found an 1 1/4 drill bit,drill out the A manifold center runner to match port..neck snappin performance :)
     
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  27. I don't have NOS, but was curious on what people were getting for a C crank. Was wondering how it compared to adding weights to a B crank.
     
  28. railcarmover
    Joined: Apr 30, 2017
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    railcarmover

    A good weld on set of cheeks on an early b crank should give the same results as a C
     
  29. surf10
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    Do you or anyone else have any flow results on a model a/b block?


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  30. Crazydaddyo
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    Just the feel on my right foot on the floor and the seat of my pants.

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