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JULY 31, 2009 Update on the hearing in Wisconsin about ch TRANS 123

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Curt R, Jul 31, 2009.

  1. Results of the ch. TRANS 123 hearing;

    THIS WAS NOT A FINAL VOTING HEARING ON TRANS 123. TRANS 123 IS NOT A LAW, STATUTE OR ADMINISTRATIVE RULE, JUST A PROPOSAL. The hearing is only the third step of 5 steps that TRANS 123 must follow before it becomes law, IF IT BECOMES LAW.

    70 people attended, all 70 registered in opposition to TRANS 123, 20 individuals spoke in opposition, 9 opposing speakers represented military vehicle owners and collectors, 10 were from the old car collector, hot rod and special interest groups and 1 representing import vehicle concerns.

    At this time, this is the last scheduled hearing on TRANS 123.

    After this hearing, based on public comments at the hearing, the DOT may or may not change TRANS 123. It is their choice. DOT WILL ACCEPT ADDITIONAL EMAIL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC UNTIL 3 PM ON JULY 31, 2009. Email to Paul.Nilsen@dot.wi.gov.

    MOST IMPORTANT IF YOU SEND AN EMAIL, KEEP IT ON POINT, STATE IF "YOU OPPOSE" OR ARE "IN FAVOR" OF TRANS 123.

    If you oppose , it is because "the proposal lacks definition of wording and is not specific in important wording or phrases" or similar type wording. DONOT go into some type of rant that, they are idiots, what the f**k is going on? my cars are gonna be junk etc. type of email. They heard a lot of that at the hearing. A lot of clear and brief emails will be more effectual than a swearing, off point rant email. TRANS 123 DOES NOT have any thing to do with TRANS 305, COLLECTOR OR HOBBYIST PLATES, DIRECTLY. DO NOT refer to TRANS 305, HOBBYIST, COLLECTOR, HOT RODS, MUSCLE CARS, YOUR PERSONAL CARS ETC. It may decrease the effect of your email. STAY ON ISSUE.

    If, you are in favor of TRANS 123, they will be glad to hear from you. Stating your reasons, for you support, will help.

    WHY ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT TRANS 123?
    This proposal is concerned with giving the WIS DOT additional regulations that, will determine, if the DOT will register a pre or post 1968 vehicle and import vehicles. Our concern is that, "this chapter applies to ANY VEHICLE presented to department for registration", "Off road" means a motor vehicle that is ANY OF THE FOLLOWING, and includes any motor vehicle that is made after 1967 and does not conform to federal motor vehicle safety standards OR IS NOT REQUIRED TO CONFORM TO THOSE STANDARDS. Other wording and phrasing are of concern, also.

    WHAT CAN WE IN WISCONSIN DO?
    Up to 3pm July 31, 2009, do the emails.

    WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS?
    I will explain that, in the next installment.

    WHAT WILL WE DO IN THE FUTURE?
    Next installment, also.

    Thanks everybody,

    Curt Rymkus
     
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2009
  2. Great job, Curt! Please advise us out of state HAMBstrs if we may be of any help. We all should know the 'who and why' of how this thing got started. As you know there is a Federal root to this thing and maybe we should have a "Call to arms" to try and change it. It would require the organization of SEMA, NHRA, and all off road, military, kit car, classics, and other historical / special interest automotive entities. The owners and pilots of small and general aviation aircraft have succesfully done this (AOPA) and are a force respected on capital hill. They literally have saved their freedoms.
    Chuck
     
  3. Alex Yohnk
    Joined: Sep 7, 2005
    Posts: 828

    Alex Yohnk
    Member

    So the DOT didn't address why the wording is so general and vague? Would they say if they are targeting one specific "problem" area?

    I proposed both questions to Nilsen and my state legislator, and nobody will answer them. Surely, what ever group that wrote this proposal must know the exact intent. Who specifically came up with 123?
     
  4. thank you for the support. I will let the board know if, out of state support will help.

    The "who and why" info is slow in coming but, we are getting there.
     

  5. the hearing was for comments, only. A person could present their viewpoint etc. It was not a debate or question and answer deal.

    The general and vague wording allows DOT to interpret a sentence or paragraph as they see fit and apply their interpretation as they so desire.

    At this point, DOT may not be very communicative or reponsive to questions. The legislators may wait and see how the DOT responds to the hearing input and emails before, they get candid with any constituants. They all work in the same buildings and will all work together on other issues in the future.
     
  6. dabirdguy
    Joined: Jun 23, 2005
    Posts: 2,404

    dabirdguy
    Member Emeritus

    Why isn't SEMA involved all ready?
     
  7. Thanks for your efforts Curt as they are MUCH appreciated by all of us!

    Max
     
  8. just a boost to the top for those that missed the update on the hearing.

    Remember this is NOT A LAW just a hearing on a proposal regarding registration of vehicles in Wisconsin.
     

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