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Technical *** July 2019 Banger Meet - Time 4 Driving ***

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Jiminy, Jun 30, 2019.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
    Posts: 355


    Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
    September 14-16, 2018 The 5th Annual Hot Rod Hill Climb
    Central City, Colorado

    October 4th, 5th and 6th T.R.O.G. Wildwood, NJ
    2019 SCTA El Mirage Race Dates:

    All events are held at the El Mirage Dry Lake in Southern California.
    October 20th
    November 9th - 10th
    2019 SCTA/BNI Bonneville Race Dates:

    The BNI has two major events each year at the Bonneville Salt Flats outside of Wendover Utah.
    August 10th - 16th, Speed Week
    October 1st - 4th, World Finals

    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $34.00 all color except for the oldest pictures (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
    Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
    phone: 951-695-7313.

    Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:

    Banger basics. another info link list:

    The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    and this link shows the missing image from the above post

    The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.

    Model B rod bearing insert numbers

    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge

    Adjusting dual Strombergs:

    Helpful Model A tools and tips:

    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:

    Elrod's stuck head tech:

    Model A generator to alternator conversion:

    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:

    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:

    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"

    Chevy Banger Stuff

    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber

    T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:

    New Banger Block in the Works

    Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2019
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  2. noboD
    Joined: Jan 29, 2004
    Posts: 7,252


    This year is going entirely too fast.
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  3. johnneilson
    Joined: Apr 12, 2011
    Posts: 1,144


    The year yes, not so much for the racing though.
    It looks like Bonneville has dried on the surface, at least this last week the standing water is gone.

    Oh yeah, checked in, J
  4. Johnny Nitro
    Joined: Sep 28, 2005
    Posts: 49

    Johnny Nitro
    from Chicago

  5. Dustyp489
    Joined: Feb 1, 2008
    Posts: 114


    Checking in, getting hotter weather and more chances of rain.
  6. denis4x4
    Joined: Apr 23, 2005
    Posts: 3,527

    from Colorado

    Had a great time at the Speedster Reunion in Lincoln last month. Still shaking my head over the HP these guys are pulling out of Model T's.
  7. Took the Coupe back to Pendine this year. Managed a reasonable 71.7mph over the standing start half mile. Some smaller wheels would have helped as it was still pulling and I was only around 2800rpm in top. P1090597.jpeg
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  8. Check'n in; and still go'n!
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  9. Binger
    Joined: Apr 28, 2008
    Posts: 1,674

    from wyoming

    Checking in for the month. Picked up a little side work on a stock model T roadster. Fix some wiring and get it driving. Also have to give the owner a driving lesson. [​IMG]

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  10. ghalperin
    Joined: Dec 10, 2012
    Posts: 189


    Can somebody please post a photo of a 28-29 firewall with a model B throttle? I’m getting ready to install mine.
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  11. winduptoy
    Joined: Feb 19, 2013
    Posts: 2,089


    Checking in.
    I picked up...purchased... a 1918 Tea Roadster with Rajo OHV. Need a road trip to go pick it up, if I can get 2 weeks in a row, I'm going to try to drive it back 1200 miles. I'm thinking I should be able to do 200 miles a day.
    Also there is a Riley 2 port in the works.

    now I've checked in
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  12. Binger
    Joined: Apr 28, 2008
    Posts: 1,674

    from wyoming

    Dang Larry you are busy. Keep us posted on this epic road trip to bring home your new Tea.

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  13. What is a best way to long term store engine blocks to prevent rust and critters?
  14. Good question.....I'm way past it - the fresh banger I picked up from a deceased restorer most likely has more that 20 years on an engine stand. My 1930 Cabriolet still bangs along so no need to swap it out at the moment....check check braker check....checking in........
  15. railcarmover
    Joined: Apr 30, 2017
    Posts: 476


    thumbnail (94).jpg

    A smart man told me to do the body first,toss a tarp on it and do the chassis..I didnt listen..
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  16. I am down to rear brakes, fuel pump, seat and wiring. Looks like I will miss my goal to test drive on the 4th of July, but not by much! UJTUXj27TBiJPZcOyKuBzw.jpg
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  17. V4F
    Joined: Aug 8, 2008
    Posts: 4,114

    from middle ca.

    take it for a short drive near home as is !
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  18. JT1930
    Joined: Jul 1, 2018
    Posts: 199


    Got a powermaster 6v alternator on yesterday and was cruising around all night. Works great with the bright halogens from classic bulb. Motor feels smoother too since the distributor and coil are getting some voltage now.

  19. Kewl65
    Joined: Oct 13, 2008
    Posts: 27


    Checking in from Down Under

    4 banger Model A chassis.jpg
  20. Checking in from outside Nashville, Tennessee. 1931 Tudor running the Antique Engine builders touring motor. I just ordered a Mitchell overdrive last week. Also am about to order a 6V PowerGen, FSI distributor, and other odd and ends. Let me know if you have something that may help with getting all the potential power out this banger. Or any advice.[​IMG][​IMG]

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  21. winduptoy
    Joined: Feb 19, 2013
    Posts: 2,089


    Good looking '31
    I think that there is a 6V Powergen alternator in the classifieds
    As for power boost...higher compression...
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  22. JT1930
    Joined: Jul 1, 2018
    Posts: 199


    Wind up I got that one ! I almost bought it new and said let me check the classifieds. And there it was posted a few hours earlier.

    Now I have a question for everyone in here. Hopefully people start waking up this month in here hahah.

    I got the hi-cr head on the car. Relived it .50”. Car starts up now. Great. But I’m back to this slow turning starting. Take the plugs out spins over fast. No problem. Compression check 90# across the board. Ran a dedicated ground to the starter off the batter post. Battery is fully charged and new. Have huge 6v wire off battery. Still the same situation. Taking the starter to a local shop who rebuilds them to see if it’s getting weak. If he does rebuild it I want him to shim the field cools closer to the armature so it will give it a little more torque.

    Here’s a video.
  23. winduptoy
    Joined: Feb 19, 2013
    Posts: 2,089


    Nope, that doesn't spin over very fast.
    Was the video of it turning over with the ignition on or off?
    Have you checked the voltage at the battery while turning it over?
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  24. JT1930
    Joined: Jul 1, 2018
    Posts: 199


    Ignition off. But when it’s on it’s the same.

    I will check voltage that next.
  25. Thanks. I talked with him yesterday. It's been sold apparently for awhile.

    The motor I got from Antique Engine builders is supposed to have a higher compression head but I haven't ran the numbers.

    I plan to do the typical first. Downdraft intake, Stromberg 97?, electronic ignition, etc. I drive the car a lot and could appreciate the extra boost in power to help ease the burden of modern traffic.

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  26. TERPU
    Joined: Jan 2, 2004
    Posts: 2,230


    I don't get on here very much, but I have it bad for Bangers. This thread is great and thank you for making it and keeping it alive!
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  27. railcarmover
    Joined: Apr 30, 2017
    Posts: 476



    Every once in awhile the sun shines on a dogs ass..scored this cast iron 7 to 1 non crows foot (wedge) and an ansen 2 carb intake today..the head is nice,no cracks straight and sweet,bead blast,paint and run..the ansen is meh,but I will butter it up was running it with two tillotsons updraft,so it had a pair of adapters on it too.I was fooling with a pair of weber ICTS a few months ago,think I found my intake.Seller had a sweet 29 tudor cheap..a survivor that's been repainted,hell half of the interior was original,and the running gear was unmolested..
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  28. JT1930
    Joined: Jul 1, 2018
    Posts: 199


    Voltage on before engaging starter. 6.5v
    While turning motor over 5.5v to 5.4v

  29. Checking in...

    Following the ‘32 pedal install with great interest!
    Has been wanting one for a while... Great info!

    Keep ‘em kruzin!

    Last edited: Jul 6, 2019
  30. 97
    Joined: May 18, 2005
    Posts: 1,593


    Either the battery is on it's way out or possibly the armature is polling, another quite common thing with Model As is a bent armature shaft . That will load and unload the starter and never let it get up some momentum.
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