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Jeep T5 trans in the torquetube

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Stovebolt, Apr 8, 2008.

  1. aldixie
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    I pm'd last week but haven't had an answer yet.
     
  2. Does he have the TT adapter too? or just the bellhousing side?
     
  3. brokenspoke
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    I bought mine from crazydaddyo
     
  4. Crazydaddyo
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    He sells my adapter too.

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  5. Bigcheese327
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    Did the S10s use a T4 that would be compatible with the TT adaptor? Not sure I'll be able to make use of an overdrive.
     
  6. Flat Ernie
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    Not to my knowledge. Jeep did though.
     
  7. Crazydaddyo
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    I have a S-10 T-4.

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  8. Bigcheese327
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    Hooked to a Ford Torque Tube? That's great news!
     
  9. Crazydaddyo
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    Yes, Model A or V-8 torque tube. Both will fit.

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  10. enjenjo
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    Yes, there were S10 T4 4x4s the trans was basically a T5 with a different reverse gear shift mechanism installed, and no 5th gear parts. the mainshaft and countershaft are the same, and could have the 5th gear installed on them, but the detent plate in the shifter is different.
     
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  11. Bigcheese327
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  12. Crazydaddyo
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    I now have some available if anyone needs one.


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  13. out plowing
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    How much are you asking for one?

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  14. Crazydaddyo
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    PM sent.

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  15. Flat Ernie
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    Are these for the S10 4x4 or the Jeep 4x4?
     
  16. Crazydaddyo
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    Just the S-10.

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  17. enjenjo
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    I just finished building a T5 for a 64 Chevy 4x4 C10. It has a divorced transfer case, so a short T5 for a two wheel drive would work. I found that the 2004 to 2007 Mustang with a 4.0 V6 used a T5 that is only about 14" long, and has a drive flange on the back the same as the one used on an 8.8 rear end. The only problem, it is set up for a remote shifter. The shift tower location is similar, but not the same as a S10, so I set about modifying it for a direct shifter.

    Under the remote shifter there is a shifter block, the same one used in Jeep, and S10 shifters. I had a jeep shifter on hand, I modified the bottom of the shifter to be similar to a Mustang lower shifter. But the pivot pin in a Jeep shifter is 1" higher than the one in the Mustang. So you coupld use the Jeep lower shifter, and a spacer to mod a Mustang shifter for a short throw. In my case the truck has a long lever, so the shifter throw will not be that short, but I needed the extra length to reach the shifter block.

    I cut away all of the Jeep shifter base, and shortened it for this transmission. I then fabricated a new base that would fit the bolt pattern on this trans, with a hole in it for the Jeep tower.
     

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  18. enjenjo
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    I then welded the Jeep tower into the fabricared base. Since the bolts holding the base on this trans are 6mm rather than the 8mm bolts on the direct shifters, I retapped the holes to 1/4 20, and installed studs to go as deep as possible. I also added braces to a boss that normally holds the remote shifter. The Jeep boot went right back on.
     

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  19. enjenjo
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    Now I needed an adapter. The later Mustang T5 has a input shaft that is 3/4" longer than the Fox Mustangs. Also the pilot is smaller, but it is the same size as a Chevy pilot. I cut down the front bearing retainer so it was only about 1/2" thick. The adapter has to be 1.250" thick, I counter bored it to fit on the cut down bearing retainer. I bored the front side to fit a Chevy bearing retainer from a SR4 trans since it was the right size for the throwout bearing. I then drilled the adapter for both bolt patterns. The top bolts are too close to use bolts, so Idrilled out the bolt holes in the bell housing to 1/2", and used studs with nuts on the inside of the bell to hold it in place. I tapped the holes for the T5 to use the stock Ford bolts. 004.JPG 007.JPG 010.JPG View attachment 2655422 013.JPG
     

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  20. Flat Ernie
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    Enjenjo - Do a separate posts on this, please!! We'll include it in the T5 Tech - great stuff!!! Thanks for sharing!
     
  21. white64
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    Here's a picture of my '40 frame with a 4x4 s10 T5, it's not quite done ... welds to be ground, a little more metal work to be done, paint etc... crazydaddyo's adapter is under the top cross-member hoop in the first pic...


    forgive the mess, I clean when stuff gets in the way or I start losing track of other stuff
     

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  22. yruhot
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    I put a t-5 out of a 1988 chevy s-10 w/v6. Got the kit from the fellow in Indiana I think it is and it very nice kit. converts to open drive line comes with new drive shaft Car lovesit. like drivingand shifting a mitia. Does 65 easy with the overdrive. Only negative was you had to relocate your cross shaft for the mechanical brakes and I never seemed to get the geometry the same again. Went to juice brakes shortly after. Car stops much better and I like that. But there is a site called Old Stovebolt chevies and they gointo all the details of which t-5s to look for pros and cons. Anyway I love mine and am happy with the out come.yruhot
     
  23. yruhot
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    I put a t-5 out of a 1988 chevy s-10 w/v6. Got the kit from the fellow in Indiana I think it is and it very nice kit. converts to open drive line comes with new drive shaft Car lovesit. like drivingand shifting a mitia. Does 65 easy with the overdrive. Only negative was you had to relocate your cross shaft for the mechanical brakes and I never seemed to get the geometry the same again. Went to juice brakes shortly after. Car stops much better and I like that. But there is a site called Old Stovebolt chevies and they gointo all the details of which t-5s to look for pros and cons. Anyway I love mine and am happy with the out come.yruhot
     
  24. That's nice, but this thread is about cars KEEPING the torque tube.
     
  25. Binger
    Joined: Apr 28, 2008
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    Did you get your Kit from Auto restorations in Muncie? I need their Model A T-5 clutch disk and was wondering if they are open again? Last I had heard they were closed and didn't know if they were reopening. I have been in contact with several ppl about building one for me but if I can get one or 2 of the ones already produced it would save me some time.
     
  26. Dyno Dave
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    Check a Speedway catalog, in the Flathead section they show 26 spine 9" & 10" clutch discs for under $100.00... Dyno Dave
     
  27. Dyno Dave
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    3 or 4 years ago on the Inliners site, I brought up the question why an adapter the for torque tube 1937 to 1954 Chevys to T-5 transmissions couldn't be done... My '54 has Posie's rear springs, a 3.73 gear ratio, fresh brakes with 28" tires, with an adapter I could have kept this simple in place setup. Have a TCI spring assembly and S-10 axle that will replace what are decent parts. Seems like this would be a well received part, with a good result, substantial money savings and nearly a twenty year part coverage... Dyno Dave
    P.S. was told it wasn't a do able thing...
     
  28. Bigcheese327
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    I've wondered about this myself. I think it has to do with the way the torque tube and rear are lubricated in the Fords versus the Chevrolets, but I'm not 100% certain on that.
     
  29. SimonSez
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    You can buy a conversion kit to put a Saginaw 4-speed into a 48-54 Chev truck that adapts the torque tube ball to the Saginaw trans so I don't know why you wouldn't be able to make an adaptor to do the same thing for a T5.

    http://www.patricksantiquecars.com/
     

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