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  1. metalix_421
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    I searched and couldnt really fine my issue anywhere else.

    Anyway, trying to get my engine fired for the first time (in this car)

    Im running a cad 472 with points
    still no gas tank or exhaust but pouring a little gas into the carb

    I crank it over, and it just turns,

    I cant see spark on the plug but it shocks the shit out of me.
    new coil, new plugs, new condencer rotor and cap looks good,

    could it just be that its not getting enough power? or?????

    Im sure its something small that im missing but after 4 evenings of trying to figure this out, Im about ready to pull my hair out and light my car on fire.

    any advise is helpful thanks.
     
  2. shinysideup
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    Whats the ignition timing set at?
     
  3. Saxon
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    When does it shock you? When your holding the spark wires? New wires...
     
  4. metalix_421
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    Ill have to look at the timing but I never pulled out my dizzy from the last time i ran the motor.

    has new wires as well, it shoched me when I was grounding the plug to the motor mount.
     

  5. nathan
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    are you sure the firing order is right? you said it had new wires.
     
  6. Marcosmadness
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    You sure you have the plug wires on in the correct place. Make sure that you know which way the dizzy is turning before you connect the plugs in the proper order.
     
  7. metalix_421
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    checked that all is well with the firing order,
     
  8. nathan
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    oh and try starting fluid. more explosive and safer then holding a cup of gas above a backfiring carb.
     
  9. ANDEREGG TRIBUTE
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    Maybe the fact its shocking you completely negates this, but, is it possible when you turn the key to start does it loose power to the coil? Some of those old GM products had a second wire from the solenoid to the coil for this exact reason. (the R side of the starter solenoid) (if I remember right it gives full 12 volts to the coil during start up)
     
  10. shinysideup
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    Careful...
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  11. Saxon
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  12. metalix_421
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    I have tried starting fluid, no luck with that either.

    Ive got one wire from the solenoid and one from my ignition on my key going to the coil, when it shocked me I was starting from the solenoid with a screw driver.

    what kind of amps and or volts should It be getting?
    it does turn over kinda slow, but always has.
    id hate to buy a gear reduction starter just to find out that doesnt work either.

    shiny side up, that is what im afraid of. unlike him I have a bad luck red bottle in my garage.
     
  13. Saxon
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    :confused:
     
  14. metalix_421
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    i dont know, I guess from grabbing the plug
     
  15. pinkynoegg
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    pour some gas right into the cylinders by pulling the plugs out. it should atleast pop off doing that.

    you might also check the gaps in the plugs if in fact you are getting spark to them
     
  16. 6696
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    Maybe check your dwell? After installing new points and after 2 days of trying to figure out why it wouldn't start I realized the dwell was closed on the new points. The motor would just turn over and never fire. Once I opened up the dwell she fired right up.


    Dust
     
  17. Saxon
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    Oh sorry i get it, you were jumping the soleniod and holding the plug at the same time.
     
  18. Harris
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    Double check the wires - couldn't get my 500 to fire - turned out even though the wires were correct as per an old chevrolet manual - they weren't.
     
  19. metalix_421
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    harris, Ill double check again but I bought a chiltons manual just to be sure on the firing order.
     
  20. BaBa
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    If you are not seeing a nice fat blue spark on the plugs there is something wrong.
     
  21. Harris
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  22. metalix_421
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    baba, with that said, I guess ill buy a new cap and rotor to be on the safe side and eliminate one more thing.
     
  23. Rickybop
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    Hold a sparkplug wire close to the tip of the sparkplug while you crank the engine. If you get a good arc, your ignition system is working. Even though you said you checked the firing order, make double and triple sure. As was said, make sure of which way the distributor turns. I don't know off-hand. Take off the distributor cap and crank to see. Then start over setting up the sparkplug wires. Remove #1 plug. Crank the engine 'til you feel compression. EDIT: With your finger or thumb over the sparkplug hole. Stop. Your timing marks should now be just short of lining up. Continue to turn the engine 'til the marks line up. Whichever lug on the cap the rotor is pointing to is your #1. Hook the #1 sparkplug wire to it. Then hook all the other sparkplug wires up accordingly...in the same rotation as the rotor turns. Now that you're absolutely sure the firing order is correct, and you know you have spark, you can move on to other things.

    Check points gap and that the points are tightened down.

    Got the rotor in there?

    Moisture inside the cap? Wipe it out with toilet paper. (not facial tissue)

    What did you do to the engine recently? New timing chain? Installed incorrectly.

    If you've got spark and the right firing order, it should run...unless the distributor is way off. But you said you didn't have it out. Did you change the rotational position at all? If so, try moving it back and forth while you crank.

    You said you got shocked, but you see no spark at the plug. You HAVE to be able to see spark at the plug.
     
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  24. Rickybop
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    Second time I said this tonight, but...

    A "remote" or auxiliary starter switch hooked to the starter for cranking while you're under the hood is a big help, and they're inexpensive. It'll allow you to keep your focus on the task at hand instead of splitting your focus, trying to reach down there to crank the starter with a screwdriver. It's safer too, and it'll avoid damaging the lugs on the starter and solonoid.
     
  25. Rickybop
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    New sparkplugs might be needed.

    Good luck. Goodnight.
     
  26. 3spd
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    Have you checked your compression?
     
  27. morac41
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    Hi .... The firing sequence is on the back of the intake......
     
  28. chopolds
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    If it's giving you that much trouble, this is a good idea, too!

    I use those spark plugs with the alligator clip on them for testing ignition. Sometimes there is enough spark to jump the gap of your regular spark plug, or off a screwdriver, but when the plug is put under load (compression) it might not have enough voltage to fire.
    The specially made testers, have built in resistance to duplicate the plug under load.
    Therre are 2 different ones...one for points one for electronic ignition.
     
  29. Okatoma cruiser
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    Is it backfiring or just turning slow? Can't say for sure but I think #1 cyl is on the right bank unlike the rest of gm cars
     
  30. metalix_421
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    I keep coming back to a voltage problem but Ive even tried a hot wire from the battery to the coil. I still does the same thing.

    I guess tonight when I get off work Ill hook up a second battery to is and see if I can get it to turn over a little faster.

    Keep the ideas comming I am still stuck.
    Ill be on it tonight hopfuly tonight is the night that it runs

    Thanks Guys
     

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