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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by scarylarry, Mar 21, 2010.

  1. scarylarry
    Joined: Apr 24, 2001
    Posts: 2,545


    that is not just a big can of silicone anymore? I want to wax the panel truck but am afraid of all the new stuff out now. Yes it will bead water like crazy, but will you ever get that silicone off if you want to paint it later?
  2. big creep
    Joined: Feb 5, 2008
    Posts: 2,945

    big creep

    have you ever tried using a clay bar to clean your paint? it works wonders, maguiars sells some really good stuff. or you may have to talk to a pro detail guy, to get you some really good wax.
  3. storm king
    Joined: Oct 16, 2007
    Posts: 1,991

    storm king

    trewax. Available at any hardware store. It's just basic wax. But there are products that will remove the silicon without damaging the surface.
  4. HemiRambler
    Joined: Aug 26, 2005
    Posts: 4,205


    We bought some Mold Release Wax for work - it looks like regular old Carnuba wax - matter of fact it may have even said "Carnuba" on it somewhere. I'm sure regular old paste wax is still available.

  5. scarylarry
    Joined: Apr 24, 2001
    Posts: 2,545


    Thanks, everything seems to be "new and improved"...I just want car wax. :)
  6. With all your antique stuff, you don't have any old wax? I don't wax my cars, but for laquer jobs I do use Maguires is body shop safe.
  7. Tman
    Joined: Mar 2, 2001
    Posts: 33,857


    Not to hijack Larry but does anyone remember the colored waxes from the 80s? Stuff worked really well, I had Maroon and blue for a couple family cars. It was first "As seen on TV" and could later be found at all the stores.

    And Larry, I think Restoration Supply has good ol wax. They are Alliance vendors.
  8. skajaquada
    Joined: Sep 14, 2004
    Posts: 1,642

    from SLC Utard


    Their cleaner wax is old style, caranuba wax that works great. It cleans up oxidation and leaves a killer finish. I use it on everything. They also have lots of other products like their "craeme wax" that's like 1/3 caranuba and the whole ingredient list is things you actually know what are. It isn't cheap though but it's worth it...

    Read the labels on the stuff you wanna try, if you don't know what they are talking about then don't use it.

    Found this on their website...pretty cool, they do way more than I realized.

    Last edited: Mar 21, 2010
  9. pastlane
    Joined: Oct 4, 2007
    Posts: 1,063


    Collonite's insulator wax is wonderful stuff & no silicone. They offer everything from marine to industrial waxes.
    I had to buy it direct (online) as the local shop that used to carry it shut down. Best stuff I've ever used.
  10. cuznbrucie
    Joined: May 1, 2005
    Posts: 2,567


    The Role Silicone Plays in Car Care Products
    Published by Mike Phillips

    One of the most frequent comments I hear when I go to car club meetings and events is that silicone is bad for your car. It’s a common myth, from years gone by, that the mere presence of silicone near a car will cause the paint to shrivel up and fall off or prevent it from ever being repainted. These myths are false, but the latter is based on factual problems painters once experienced. The fact is that all modern automotive paints contain silicone as an ingredient to help the paint to spray and flow smoothly.

    Most of the concerns people have about silicones and products that contain silicones stem from the days when lacquers were used as the primary car finish. Back then, if the surface wasn't properly prepared, residual silicones on the bodywork or in the shop environment would cause paint defects. The most common silicone induced problem is a small defect referred to as “fish eyes”.

    Fish eyes are small craters that form in the paint finish. Fish eye defects form where the paint piles up in a circle surrounding a point on the surface that contains a contaminant. The reason freshly sprayed paint does this is because contaminants like wax and silicone tend to create high surface tension and do not allow the paint to properly flow and self-level. Instead of laying down flat, paint moves away from these ingredients, forming a ring around them that has the visual appearance of what is historically described as a fish eye. In severe cases, where the painter does not properly prepare the bodywork for painting, contamination from wax, oils and silicones can cause paint adhesion problems.

    Knowledge of paint and other automotive finishes have evolved and grown substantially since the 1950's. The problems painters encountered 50 years ago are more easily addressed with today's modern paint formulas and prepping chemicals. Likewise, the modern paint facility has evolved into a high-tech environment (primarily due to environmental regulations), and paint additives help overcome common flaws. More importantly, modern paint technicians are educated in their craft. Until the 1970’s, there were very few formal training programs available for young men and women entering the automotive repair industry. Today there are certified schools that specialize in formal education for the automotive industry. This includes paint manufacturers, who provide in-depth training for anyone who uses their paint systems.

    All professional body shops understand that the cars they repair have been maintained using products that contain waxes, oils and silicone. For this reason, all professional repair facilities perform the necessary preparation work required to insure that the paintwork is free of contaminates before they begin their work. In so doing, the dreaded "fish eyes" will not be a problem. The preparation work includes using special degreasers and silicone removers that effectively remove these substances from the surface or chemically alter their molecular structure in such a way to insure they pose no problems. If there is ever any question or doubt about the surface to which new paint is going to be applied, painters will use a paint additive to eliminate fish eyes. Interestingly enough, the paint additive that eliminates fish eyes is typically a special silicone additive.

    There are many kinds of silicones available for use in car care products. They vary in form and functionality. Car care chemists select the best performing silicones to create a desired finish for each kind of car surface.

    Silicones are primarily used to modify or enhance a specific characteristic of another ingredient in a polish, wax or protectant formula. Silicones are not used for any characteristic they offer in and of themselves. There are some functions in a car care formula that only silicone can produce or no other ingredient can perform better.

    One of the most commonly used features of silicone is its ability to lubricate (improve slip). The use of some types of silicone in a formula acts to make the product easier to apply and buff off. In this way, silicone lubrication helps reduce surface marring (scratches and swirl marks) induced from wiping with bad toweling or applicators. That's a benefit to you.

    Chemists also use silicones to create water-in-oil emulsions, reduce emulsion particle size, to stabilize emulsions, and to improve spreading and coverage of wax products. Most modern silicone formulas are water soluble (no oil or petroleum), and are completely inert. The best way to describe most forms of silicone is to think of it as a man-made wax ester. Silicone is created by the reaction generated when you combine fatty acids with polydimethylsiloxane (or other derivatives of the compound).

    The fear and confusion surrounding this single ingredient, silicone, is an ongoing problem. Some small car care chemical manufactures create fear, uncertainty and doubt in people’s minds by claiming their products contain “no harmful silicones,” suggesting that silicone is harmful to the paint. This product hype and misinformation spread from person to person, generation to generation, and now-a-days on the internet, exaggerates the myth that silicones in car care products are harmful. The fact is that the largest and most respected names in the paint and body shop industry, which include 3M and Meguiar’s, use silicones in their car care products to make them better.

    The facts are indisputable. Silicone is part of the protective system in paint and helps the paint look better and last longer. Silicone cannot harm paint, let alone anything else it is formulated into, or sitting on top of, especially in the form of a coating of wax. Without properly blended silicones, waxes would be difficult to apply and would not have the high gloss and radiance we enjoy.

    Found on a car wax forum........CB
  11. Mazooma1
    Joined: Jun 5, 2007
    Posts: 13,598


  12. I use WASH/WAX ALL made by aerocosmetics(on the internet only). It's water based with uv protection-no dust, swirl marks. can be put on when car is wet or dry. used on planes, boats. good stuff-paint is like glass.
  13. Revhead
    Joined: Mar 19, 2001
    Posts: 3,027

    from Dallas, TX

    the mold release wax we used in school WAS carnuba wax, so if you get desperate you might look into that.
  14. brucer
    Joined: Jun 5, 2008
    Posts: 332

    from western ky

    Liquid Glass is the easiest and absolute best polish i've ever used.. its a polish not a wax great for laquer,enamels and basecoat clearcoat.. it works awesome on black paint, that is the original reason i bought it, i had an older paint&autobody man tell me to try it on my black truck, i've used nothing else but this stuff since..
    i put it on twice a year. you dont have to clean it off..water beads up like crazy, i use it on my glass and chrome..
    if you have waxed your vehicle prior they have a great pre-cleaner also, pre-clean then use the polish and you'll be suprised at how well it works..
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2010
  15. That must be what has replaced the blue liquid wax in the 8" tall bottle. If so, it is some really good stuff.
  16. Chuck R
    Joined: Dec 23, 2001
    Posts: 1,347

    Chuck R

    I am a fan of Zymol. Easy to use and really gives a fantastic shine. Not a wet plastic toy look, just the look of real shiny paint. Also they have special mixes for different color needs. This is not a discount priced product, but you sometimes get what you pay for.
  17. mikeco
    Joined: Nov 3, 2008
    Posts: 393

    from virginia

    I use Adams stuff & swear by it. All the vette guys love Zaino, its a several step process but they seem to love it as well.
  18. John Denich
    Joined: Nov 20, 2005
    Posts: 2,718

    John Denich

    I make a basic Carnauba Wax...PM me I will get some samples out to you!
  19. langy
    Joined: Apr 27, 2006
    Posts: 5,735

    Member Emeritus

    I like Harley wax
  20. Listen to John Denich. I have several products from him that did exactly as promised
  21. Bull
    Joined: Mar 17, 2006
    Posts: 2,286


    Our products do not contain silicone either. See my signature for a HAMB discount.
  22. Tman
    Joined: Mar 2, 2001
    Posts: 33,857


    I am sure John stuff is good but I have lots of experience withthe Wizards stuff Bull sells. I recomend all of it.
  23. skajaquada
    Joined: Sep 14, 2004
    Posts: 1,642

    from SLC Utard

    Check out their site, they make a bunch of stuff including a few different straight waxes.
  24. 40StudeDude
    Joined: Sep 19, 2002
    Posts: 9,447


    Trent, I've still got a bottle of that "blue" laying around...still works too...altho I don't have any blue cars anymore...


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