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Folks Of Interest Is there a business like ENCO operating now?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Budget36, May 7, 2024.

  1. Budget36
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    Or where can I find an 1/2 inch ball end mill at that’s not a 100 bucks?

    Thanks
     
  2. Pav8427
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    Try Travers, Blackhawk and MSC. Should be able to find a HSS one.
     
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  4. Budget36
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    Thanks gents, I’ll follow up.
    Sure do miss ENCO and inexpensive stuff that was just used once and put away.
     
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  6. corncobcoupe
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    MSC owns / owned Enco Brand.

    Just MSC now and you can get from the very basic DIY inexpensive import to a high performance/ high productivity end mills.

    Here you go......
    https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/01895325
    As basic as you get.
    Freight will cost you about 12.00
    Call them or order on line on line with a Credit Card
     
  7. chevyfordman
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    Enco was absorbed by MSC. All the places are still selling the cheap China stuff, hard to get anything well made anymore.
     
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  8. Budget36
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    Yes, I don’t need well made. Pretty much a one time use thing.

    Thanks
     
  9. Bearing Burner
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    McMaster Carr
     
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  10. I second Shars. I miss Enco a lot. I have bought some surprising good tooling on ebay. Some from a seller in India.
     
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  11. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    I've bought from Travers since the 70s. Their TTC branded stuff is good quality for offshore products, and if you want US made, they have that in most products as well. And their support staff know their stuff, when you need advice.
     
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  12. Pav8427
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    Could try local machine shops. Sometimes they have a slighly used one they will part with.
     
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  13. Mike Lawless
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    What Unkl Ian said
     
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  14. Yeah, after MSC bought them out the deals pretty much disappeared. I'll third Shars, but Amazon and eBay can turn up stuff too. I used to go to Seattle for Boeing surplus, but that's gone too.

    If you're machining aluminum, the cheaper tooling will work OK. Steel? If you want any kind of tool life, it's best to step up....
     
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  15. Paulz
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    Make friends with a machinist. I've gotten probably 40lbs of used carbide and HSS end mills and drill bits from guys I know that work in injection mold shops. One small chip on a flute and they toss them rather than risk a multi thousand dollar mold. But they have a ton of life left for the home game.
     
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  16. Budget36
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    image.jpg


    this is what I need to make

    I have 3 pieces to be made from 1/2 inch key stock.

    I have to use my drill press, I won’t try to actually mill them, but make a series of plunge cuts, then file/die grind the rest out.
    Once I use the tool, I’ll most likely never need it again.
     
  17. Paulz
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    How about clamping them together in pairs and just sending a drill bit right down the middle.
     
  18. Budget36
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    If you look (not the pic angle) closely the “slot” is at around a 45 degree angle.

    otherwise you’d be spot on.
    I can swivel my vice platform, but can’t drill at that angle straight down.

    Edit: for clarification
     
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  19. Can you make the pieces oversized, drill the hole, then cut them to size/shape?
     
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  20. Paulz
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    Ok.
    How about starting with some 1/2" thick stock a bit wider than you need, drill it straight through. Then mark it at 45 degrees to your bore and saw it out so the angle of the bore ends up at what you need.
     
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  21. Budget36
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    I’m not quite following you.
    The part I showed is 1/2 x 1/2.
    The “slot” at an angle is 3/4 radius.
     
  22. Budget36
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    I’d have to ponder on this approach.
    The piece I showed fits in a fairly snug holder.
    The piece needs the angle for what I torque it down to.

    It’s kinda tough to explain, although the year model I’m working with is HAMB friendly, the 4 wheels and tires holding it up have no bearing on the HAMB:)


    Edit: But we all need a source of inexpensive little use machine type tools:)
     
  23. Show me a couple more pics....
     
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  24. Budget36
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  25. Paulz
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    Sandwich two pieces of stock together shaped like the black outline, drill your hole, then saw out your shape. image.jpg
     
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  26. It's doable, but there will be some monkey-motion involved. Paulz is on the right track, but there's a way to make forming the final pieces easier. Give me some time to whomp up some drawings...
     
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  27. continentaljohn
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    image.jpg Shars ball end mill cheap but I too would spot drill the material with a pilot hole then go with a larger one. . I also would do it in one piece and saw it half afterwards
     
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  28. continentaljohn
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    Another way is to use a counter bore with a pilot to keep it from walking image.jpg image.jpg
     
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  29. continentaljohn
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    So small pilot or center drill for location. Then drill small pilot then to your counter bore pilot size. The counter bore will follow the pilot hole so your drill doesn’t wander all over. This is just a example image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg
     
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