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  1. Relic Stew
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    Big block cars (Fairlane) got a 1/4" plate added at the upper control arm mounts.
    fairlane suspension 002.jpg
     
  2. raven
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    I was raised on hot rod Falcons.
    The OP can, indeed, run the V8 but a few minor upgrades would be in order. 8” (or 9”) rear end out of an early Mustang or V8 Falcon. I would suggest switching the front suspension to one from an early V8 Mustang or V8 Falcon. Get the V8 radiator too. This is about the most basic necessities required for this swap. One additional item I would suggest is called a Monte Carlo bar (if I remember correctly). It is a brace that goes from shock tower to shock tower. Shelby Mustangs came with these and you can buy aftermarket ones now.
    I ran a very stout Hi-PO 289 backed by a T-10 in a 60 Falcon ranch wagon as a younger version of me and was hard on it. The T-10 was the weak link on more than one occasion, if you need a manual transmission, go with a top loader for strength.
    If you’re just wanting something that has some extra pep, you’ll do fine with the V8 and the aforementioned upgrades. They won’t break the bank either.
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  3. gimpyshotrods
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    There aren't any.
     
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  4. gimpyshotrods
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    Yes, too much.

    Early 6-cylinder Falcons were built out of thinner metal, with fewer layers, and less bracing. Short of Rancheros and Sedan Deliveries, there were no torque boxes whatsoever on 6-cylinder cars.

    The spindles and all of the steering components are all smaller and lighter. The brakes are smaller.

    I run a 200hp 200in inline six in my 1960 Falcon, and I added about 140lbs of bracing to keep the chassis from twisting. It has an 8.8 rear end, and much larger brakes. I broke the original rear end, before I upgraded to this engine.

    With even the dowdiest 302 (we don't like the term 5.0 here), you are asking for trouble.
     
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  5. Beanscoot
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    You will need the early Comet (1963-65?) left side exhaust manifold to clear the steering as well. Using a 260, or five bolt 289 engine will provided better trans tunnel clearance.
    The best way to get all the needed parts would be to buy a '63 to '64 Falcon or Comet parts car.

    Many years ago a friend swapped the 144/Fordomatic in his Falcon to an early 200/C4. It was a tremendous improvement. Then we swapped the 144 or 170 with Fordomatic in his 1963 Comet to a 260 V8 / C4, again a huge improvement. We kept the four bolt wheel suspension and crappy differentials, they seemed to hold up.
     
  6. This right here is why I’m not a ford guy...


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  7. upspirate
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    Excuse me for asking,what is a torque box?
     
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  8. RmK57
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    It's a square formed heavy gauge sheet metal that is spot welded between the frame rail and rocker panel. It ties in with the floor and keeps the flimsy unibody from flexing and cracking on V8 cars and convertibles.
     
  9. seb fontana
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    Around where the front eye of the rear spring bolts..
     
  10. brianf31
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    This is where you will want to fab/weld a torque box in the front. Make a bent box a couple inches deep. Weld the top and ends of the box to the rocker rail, floor pan and front subframe. Look at V8 early Mustang pics for an example.
    The rear kinda already has one on the 6 cyl Falcon, although it's fairly thin gage. Ignore the subframe connector tubing in this pic. torque box.png
     
  11. Avoid the '63-early '64 parts. These used Falcon/Comet-specific steering linkage that's has expensive and hard to find parts for when you do use it. When the Mustang was introduced in April '64, at the same time Ford switched the Falcon/Comet steering linkage to most of the new-style Mustang parts which are commonly available except for the center link; that still has to be a Falcon/Comet specific part as they're about 1.5" narrower than a Mustang. This late '64-65 link has been reproduced and should be available. Because of the width difference, you also can't use Mustang 'Monte Carlo' braces or sway bars. Falcon/Comet versions are available from Delta Bay Mustang, or at least used to be.

    There's no clearance issues with the later 6-bolt motors/trans; Ford installed them in '65. But the Falcon/Comet did use a weird V8 trans mount, finding the right tailshaft housing/crossmember might be tough.
     
  12. birdman1
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    I put a boss 302 with a 5 speed, 4.11 gears in a 8.8 rear in my would1965 mustang 6 banger. It would twist the entire body and chassis so much coming out of the hole that the car would jump into the left lane, including the 3 to 4 gear shift . I sold it.
     
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  13. Deacon Guy
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    Good morning bandit Billy. Thank you for your input. Very nice Nova. Have a great weekend.
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  14. Deacon Guy
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    Good morning Crazy Steve, thank you for chiming in. I appreciate all the info. Have a great weekend.

    Deacon Guy
     
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  15. Deacon Guy
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    Good morning birdman1, thank you for your input. The Mustang sounds scary..in a good kinda way. Have a great weekend.
    Deacon Guy
     
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  16. alanp561
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    The " Ford Six Forum " has the information you need.

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  17. southcross2631
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    Don't be afraid of the fact that it is a 4 door. Makes a better sleeper. Do the upgrades on the suspension and build some torque boxes and drive the heck out of it.
    My old Morris Minor was never intended to have any more than 37 horsepower, but that didn't stop me from building a hot small block Ford and shoehorning it in.
    True hot rodders look at that sort of thing being a challenge, not an obstacle. If you can't do anything more than bolt stuff together then just stick with Legos. DSCF0956.JPG
     
  18. sunbeam
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    In 63 I put a 221 out of a 62 fairlane in my 60 Falcon replaced the ball joints with Moog units kept then well lubed the 9" brakes worked OK but not great. These cars are light. The rear axle will not last long I used a 57-59 9 inch was a bolt in drilled for 4 bolt wheels a13" wheel will not clear the drums. I drove the car when in college put on over 80,000 miles never had any front end problems. The little car would run 15.5 in a quarter on 6.95/14 tires with a stock 221 with 3 speed. I'm not saying a 302 will not tax things more. The reason for replacing the 6 was worn valve guides no oil to the top end by the time I caught it the guides were toast.
     
  19. King ford
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    Welcome from the right hand edge of the continent roughly half way up!( New Jersey) , well, SOUTH JERSEY and no , down here isn't like the suburbs of NYC you find above Trenton!....anyway run it with the 302, break shit and then have stories to tell younger men in the future!...EVERY good hotrod'er worth a damn has breaking shit stories!.....which edge of the earth are you located on, maybe we can break shit together!
     
  20. King ford
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    ...a true brother in arms speaks!.....when people tell me " you can buy a kit for that" I look at them incredulously and ask " why?" ,?!
     
  21. Deacon Guy
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    Hi Raven...Good evening, I appreciate your input. I've got so many decisions to make and, so far, many awesome replies from the kind folks on here. Thanks again. Regards, Deacon Guy
     
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  22. Deacon Guy
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    Thank you kind Sir.
     
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  23. Deacon Guy
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    Hi King Ford. Myrtle Beach, SC area. Cool advise...breaking stuff...I don't any of those stories...yet. Deacon
     
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  24. Deacon Guy
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    Hi sunbeam, good evening. Thank you for sharing. I appreciate the tips and stories. Maybe before too long I can add some tips and stories too. Best regards, Deacon Guy
     
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