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How heavy are Cragar SS compared to American TT?

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  1. blowby
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    Anyone know, size for size? 25% heavier?
     
  2. big duece
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    I would say at least double. Comparing steel to aluminum.
     
  3. wood470
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    If I remember correctally Crager were chromed aluminum centers with a chromed steel rim and weren't that heavy.
     
  4. 79mbu
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    Wood470...correct, although I can't tell you the weight. Blowby...take your bathroom scales to your local speed shop and weigh 'em yourself. Then let us know.
     

  5. blowby
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    I have a pair of American 7" and a pair of lookalike Fenton 7" that have a steel rim with alloy center (actually the whole face). The Fentons still have bald tires on them but boy do they feel heavy, and I remember Cragars feeling heavier than TTs. Soon as I get the tires off I'll weigh them.
     
  6. mgtstumpy
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    I recall that my SSs were heavy. Steel outer welded to steel inner from memory.Can you weld alloy to steel as looked like MIG or electric to me?
     
  7. 296 V8
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    NO
    There is steel weld plates cast into the spokes … that is where they weld the rim to the center
     
  8. big duece
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    Thats why my cragar hoops would rust, and the spokes would just peal....
     
  9. MoparJoel
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    Who cares, Torque thrusts look 25% better, thats the correct answer :D whats my prize?:confused:
     
  10. II FUNNY
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    The rules for the stock drag race classes said that you could run aftermarket wheels as long as they weighed what stock ones did, so I would guess that the SS weigh the same as a stock steel.

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  11. blowby
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    The used ones I've been looking at look about 200% better. Stand up to aging much better.

    Didn't know that. So I guess that's why Grumpy always ran Cragars.
     
  12. black 62
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    what possible difference could it make ? at my age i have found all wheels are heavier than they used to be ...
     
  13. Cragar SS is a heavy rim, if they didn't carry so much sponsor money back then I really didn't understand why someone would have run them.
     
  14. straightaxlenova
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    Right!
    It just takes a little more power to turn em, LOL.

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  15. blowby
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    Sweet Nova. Well I'm planning a daily driver, I'd like a decent ride and at 1,500 lbs the less unsprung weight the better is my understanding. There are other supposed benefits which I'd also welcome.

    http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=98&

    Appearance wise I think some cars are SS cars and some are TT cars, depending on color, trim, etc.
     
  16. 64Cyclone
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    Mine won't peel. :p

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  17. straightaxlenova
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    Cragar also makes a lighter weight, spun aluminum wheel- it's called a 612 SS. It looks like the old SS wheel.





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  18. micky69
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    Just made the change on my car and the Cragars are 5 lbs per wheel heavier. I like how they look better though.
     

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  19. Muttley
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    Probably because they look cool. ;) :D

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  20. 64Cyclone
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    When I bought my 61G Cragars I noticed they offered a 612 in 15X4. I can't find a picture of one anywhere. You'd think they'd sell a ton of those if they look decent.
     
  21. blowby
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    Highly scientific goings on at the blowby laboratory today. Finally got the gumption to remove the old skins from some swap meet mags using my bead breaker/gym machine combo.

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    One pair are TT clones all allum, no make cast into it. They are 7" and weighed 18lbs.

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    The other is a Fenton with steel rim/allum center. It's a 6" and weighs 20lbs.

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    So the obvious question is how much does one inch of rim weigh? Anyway, not much diff between the two. The all allum one feels like it might be heavier than a real American TT.

    By the way, this 14" Cusionaire is going to the scrapper unless someone wants it. Got sidewall cracks but lots of tread.

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  22. miller6t9
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    according to Amazon.com's shipping weight, the Torq thrust D is 18.0 lbs against the cragar s/s being 30 lbs....both a 15x7 wheel
     
  23. rbonazzoli
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    18 pounds is pretty light. What does a similar sized steelie weigh?
     
  24. bowie
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    For the heck of it, I just weighed 3 magnesium Americans. A 15x6 mag "D" spoke is 16.5 lbs ; A 15x6 mag lemans type is 15.75 lbs ; and A 15x6 mag torqthrust pointy spoke is 15 lbs even. I didn`t have any unmounted 15x6 Cragers to check.
     
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  25. blowby
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    Wow, that is significant if it's right. In it's defense, according to this site the Cragars have a load rating far exceeding the others, so it does have that going for it.

    http://www.roadsters.com/wheels/

    BTW, how did Nanook get all four wheels off the ground?
     
  26. rbonazzoli
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    I had a chance to weigh a 15x7 GM steelie tonight as a comparison. It is 22.1 lbs.
     
  27. rbonazzoli
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    Got my hands on a stock GM 15x5 steelie. It weighs 19.8 pounds in case anyone needs a another comparison.
     
  28. wsdad
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    Helium.
     
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  29. blowby
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    Well somewhere I did read that given enough power, traction and suspension characteristics it is possible (obviously as in Nanook's case) to actually launch completely into the air.

    Anyway, I held some Supreme style wheels at the swap meet the other day. They were a good price and would look good on my truck but my goodness, the heaviest wheels I have ever held! The spokes looked like they were made of 1/4" steel sheet.
     
  30. Ran across several Cragar skinnies... I'll see if I can post them!

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