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How Can I Tell If I Have a True 327???

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by bmart, Jan 16, 2012.

  1. lippy
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    And I would not go .060 over on a 327 block either without sonic checking it first. JMO. Lippy
     
  2. bmart
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    Don't plan on boring it out or anything the engine looks fresh for sure on the outside. The guy gave my buddy a plastic fan which I assume goes with the actual 89 camaro. We have so many old car parts around home I can prolly find the original steel fan and such
     
  3. Russco
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    There were some made, 1969 model year but built in late 68 and only with 2BBL carb so wouldnt have the good heads I dont think , after Jan 1 of 1969 only 307's were used
     
  4. HEATHEN
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    It never fails to amaze me how much misinformation can make it into one thread.....first off, yes, there were definitely 327s in 1969. Secondly, the 307 did not come out in mid 1969 and replace the 327; 307s debuted in 1968, and replaced the 283 as the base V8 in full size cars ('68 was the only year they were available in full size). Third, many 327s came with what are commonly known in the field as "power pack" heads---at least every 250hp 327 from '62-'64 did, and maybe into '65. In '69, 327s were only available in 2 bbl low performance form and were sort of like a 307 with another 20 cubes. By then, the 350 had taken over as the performance small block.
     
  5. Dynaflash_8
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    pull a head a measure bore and stroke. I made a 327 using a 307 crank and 350 block once. Fun motors
     
  6. propwash
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    Anal retention time...is it really SO hard to spell Camaro correctly? Only the dimwits on Craigslist think it's spelled Camero.....I realize this is the internet, and most folks SAY they don't care - but they should - people have no other way to determine the validity of a stranger's comment but how they present themselves in here. I know what a typo is, I commit them on a regular basis (try to type as fast as I think), but misspelling is not a typo. Take a second folks - spellcheck isn't that hard to use, nor is the on-line dictionary.

    dj
     
  7. dj
    Some of don't care how to spell it, we have little or no respect for the cars to start with. And it is not covered by spell check at least not the one on the site.

    No offense intended by the way.
     
  8. Russco
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    The OP said the 327 in question came out of a 69 Camaro. Maybe this caused some confusion but, In 1968 the 307 was not available in the Camaro at all.
    In 1969 the Camaro non SS v8 base engine changed in mid model year (1/1/69) from the 327 ( RPO LF7 327ci/210HP V8 2BC) to the 307 ( RPO L14 307ci/200HP V8 2BC) So in the Camaro line the 327 WAS replaced by the 307 mid 1969 model year as the base V8 in the Camaro.
     
  9. Tsquared
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    Actually 1967 was the first year for factory installed 307s.'

    Tom
     
  10. bmart
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    I'm not really sure what it really is but I don't think I'm gonna buy the car. I mean as junky as the car appears, I figure something must b wrong with the engine
     
  11. Torchie
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    Smart move. Lots of people will tell you they have a 327 for sale because that is THE SBC to have. Also lots of people will tell you that their SBC is a four bolt main as well.
    There are lots of good 350's avaiable to put into your heep(I mean Jeep).
    Karl.
     
  12. Model A Vette
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    Smallest V8 engine that came stock in an '89 Camaro would be a 305. The only other V8 size would be a 350.
    I would guess that the car you are looking at has a 305 that someone thought they could improve by changing to a carb.
    I think the casting number (drivers side, near firewall) for a 305 would be 14102058, 14088551 or 14093627.
    A 350 would have 14093638 or 14101148.
    An original '89 engine would have a one piece rear crank seal. That would be difficult to see on an installed engine unless you knew what you were looking at (no insult intended).
    I don't think an '89 engine would have a block mounted fuel pump, it would have a pump mounted in the gas tank. I again suspect it is an original motor because it has an electric pump. Look at the pad where a block mounted pump would be and see if there is a funky looking blockoff plate mounted there.
    The letters on the block pad in front of the passenger head would tell you what the engine block originally was.
     
  13. bmart
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    The sticker said it had 2.8. It appears to be smaller than a 350 but it's definitely not 305
     

  14. All small block Chevies are the same exterior dimensions....
     
  15. fastcar1953
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    if you can buy the whole car for 500 dollars, buy it take the motor and transmission and rear end. scrap the rest. if it has t tops sell them on the bay. easy money. should get the engine for free after junking body.
     
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  16. bmart
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    I had a 305 and it looks different from that. It may b a 350. Not quite sure. I am figuring on buying the car like u said and reselling the motor and trans
     
  17. tommyd
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    PLEASE! At least find out what the engine is before you throw in the towel and don't buy it. Fellow Hambers have three pages of advice posted for you so you can find out. Now WE want to know too.
     
  18. squirrel
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    bmart, you're young enough to know how to use a digital camera, right? how about some pictures?
     
  19. bmart
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    Like I said I debated that too. I figure I can buy it and part it out easily. Maybe keep the motor and trans or even sell it. The car runs like a striped ass ape. That engine would b greater for a future street rod
     
  20. bmart
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    When i get to a computer I will. This smartphone won't let me put em on here
     
  21. davidbistolas
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    [​IMG]

    Agreed, and for example : this is a 3970010 block. It also has camel hump heads. If you based it on that, you would thing this was either a 1963 or 1968 327. It is in fact, a 1973 350.

    You need to run the casting numbers, and even then it won't mean it's a 327 until you look at the crank.
     
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  22. 48FordFanatic
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    I haven't yet found who spelled Camaro with and "e" . But I will...I won't rest until I do ...you can count on it!
     
  23. henry29
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  24. edweird
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    2.8 is a v-6.
     
  25. bmart
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    That is the car but that engine looked different from my 305 is y I figured it wasn't 305. Yet again mine was tune port fuel injection and in a 92. Could those look different?
     
  26. Also in 1969 the 327 was built from a large journal crank/block combo which would be the only time a 327 would -NOT-have a blowby tube coming out of the UPPER rear block behind your distributor.....And if the original intake that would also have an oil fill tube at front with a twiston cap.THE 69 327 I OWNED had Tonnawonda plant stickers on the valve covers





     
  27. bmart
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    I knew that. So somewhere the motor has changed to v8
     
  28. Von Rigg Fink
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    See that flat spot (rectangle) infront of the Cyl Head? the long one right where the top water pump bolt goes in
    clean that off real good and run those numbers, it will tell you all you need to know

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  29. Nice job for the kid !
     
  30. 47ragtop
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    I will throw in my 2 cents worth. The casting date on the REAR passenger side of the block will ALWAYS tell you what month,day and year the block was cast. It may be impossible to read in this car, but that will tell you for sure what year the block was cast. In some rare occasins, the suffix codes used on the front pad of the block were the same for 305 and 350 engines but not in the same casting years. 33 1/2 years spent as a Chevrolet dealership employee and when you think you are an expert something new will come along prove otherwise.
     

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