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House of Kolor VS. Matrix systems??

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Bluedscrewed&tattooed, Feb 4, 2009.

  1. Zookeeper
    Joined: Aug 30, 2006
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    I do the same, except with one tack coat, one medium, one heavy. I'd rather sand out one or two runs than a whole car full of orange peel. But the thing is, in my case I can see a big difference in fresh UC35 and after it shrinks. The UFC seems to look great even if I wait a few months to buff. Here's a shot of my Mustang, about a year after I painted it, but a few weeks before I buffed it. They didn't look that good in UC35, even though it was a week old, prior to wet-sanding and reclearing.

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  2. SinisterCustom
    Joined: Feb 18, 2004
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    Isn't the point of UFC is to avoid cutting/buffing???? Wetsand then a final flow coat? Never used it before.....
    Anyone using Alsa products? They've got some neat effects products, but are spendy!
     
  3. chopolds
    Joined: Oct 22, 2001
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    from howell, nj
    1. Kustom Painters

    You've got to watch what you're doing if you try to use UFC first, but it can be done. The UFC has a much longer flow time, than the UC clear. That can get you in trouble if you are painting over artwork, graphics or candies that are the urethane formula, not the basecoat formula. I've had candies "slide" down a taped off artwork area, onto the area beneath it, and get phantom "runs" under the clear. This can even happen with the UC clear if you don't let the candy flash off sufficiently, like when you're rushing a job, or the temps are low in the shop. But the UFC does it even when you're really following the rules.
    My vote is always for HOK. I avoid newer companies and products until I'm 100% sure of their quality, ease of use, and LONGEVITY! Been using it for over 25 years now.
    I just cannot see the logic in using slightly cheaper products over my work, when I've got so much time, effort and money into the rest of the car. I've even priced out jobs with Dupont (as an option for a customer) and had it come out quite a bit higher than using HOK and getting a "real" Candy Apple paint job!
     
  4. ftwkustom
    Joined: Feb 5, 2009
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    from michigan

    Worked at matrix system few years back and couldnt stand the people who work there. Constantly had product sent back. Good luck if you use them!!
     
  5. Zookeeper
    Joined: Aug 30, 2006
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    You're right about that, kinda. You don't NEED to buff the UFC, but it looks soooo good if you do. Personally I think it's worth it, but not necessary.
     
  6. SlowandLow63
    Joined: Sep 18, 2004
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    from Central NJ

    You don't need to buff any clear if you shoot it well enough haha! As for me, I'll stick to my Makita and some Perfect-It, lol!
     
  7. Zookeeper
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    God Bless the man that invented buffers...
     
  8. ab supply
    Joined: Jun 3, 2005
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    from fremont

    I would stick with HOK unless you need a certain color or effect that they don't have..We sell matrix but don't mess with the custom stuff in their line..Decent ripoff of PPG and thats what it is..Hot Hues is good but spendy Pro Sprays Outrageous Line has a few colors/effects that are different and is good stuff..Excellent coverage...BASF/Carrisma is good stuff...Alsa is for the special effect person that likes to take chances and doesn't mind a disaster here and there..If you need support/tech forget it...Overall HOK Still Rules..
     
  9. SlowandLow63
    Joined: Sep 18, 2004
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    from Central NJ

    Chuck Norris invented buffing...

    Hahahahahahahhaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

    I just pissed my pants!
     
  10. sik_kreations
    Joined: Jul 14, 2008
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    matrix is alright. colors cover close to same as hok, but the quart price was always more then what i could get it at coastairbrush. its just another cheaper alternative. candies werent as transparent, and i dont liek the mpb500 (interclear) compared to sg100.

    id take sem over matrix anyday.

    as far as uc 35, hands down one of the best custom clears on the market! i dont even mess with ufc. ill just spray the uc and buff the shit out of it! lol.
     

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