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History Hot Rods have nothing to do with racing-WHAT?!?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Robert J. Palmer, Jun 12, 2021.

  1. I was talking with a guy who couldn't understand how my interest in racing (mostly oval track) lead me into period correct hot rods, because in his words "Hot Rodding has nothing to do with auto racing!"

    I couldn't believe anyone could make such a statement. I told him "Hot Rodding has everything to do with auto racing! Hot rods and hot rodders have been involved in all forms of auto racing! Dry lakes/land speed, drag racing, oval track, and road racing."

    He did relent on dry lakes and drag racing, but still saw no connection to oval track or road racing.

    He had no idea who Troy Ruttman was or that started in track roadsters before winning the Indianapolis 500 in 1952. Ruttman may be the most famous roadster driver but he is in no way the only one to make it to Indy.

    Pat Flaherty also an Indy 500 winner who started in roadsters

    Dan Gurney started out as a hot rodder, NASCAR Grand National road raced, and made it to also made it to Indy. 24 hour of La Mas winner

    On a local level Bud Hinman (I have been lucky enough to be friends with Bud for 25 years) 1969 Mid-State speedway track champ and Central New York stock car Hall of fame member started out hot rodding.

    Max Balchowsky road raced his 32 Ford (built by Jimmy Summers) roadster before building his famous Yell Yellers

    Troy Ruttman number 20 this car was also driven by Pat Flaherty

    Troy Ruttman 1952 Indy winner

    Pat Flaherty 1956 Indy winner

    Dan Gurney

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    Bud Hinman age 11

    Bud's hot rod now owned by Eli English
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    Bud's 1969 Championship winning car "Bug" or cut down 34 Ford

    Max and Ina Balchowsky
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  2. squirrel
    Joined: Sep 23, 2004
    Posts: 49,483


    There are a lot of idiots in the world. In case you haven't noticed.
  3. BrerHair
    Joined: Jan 30, 2007
    Posts: 4,695


    Please. Just walk away. Guess he’s never heard of nascar.
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  4. AHotRod
    Joined: Jul 27, 2001
    Posts: 11,415


    Hot Rodder's have saved the world !
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  5. Competed Indy 500 in 1934. If you remove the body it looks like you could drop the California Kid body right onto the chassis. Still very competitive in 'Vintage' racing. IMG_2038.jpg
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  6. Mr48chev
    Joined: Dec 28, 2007
    Posts: 29,742


    All I can say is that the individual may have grown up in an area were there were no circle tracks or racers. Or in a family where there was no interest in circle track racing.
    I grew up listening to the Indy 500 on the radio with my dad or my stepfather depending on who I was with on Memorial day. I followed the exploits of a local racer (Jack Passenger) in his Hudsons in the local paper from the time I could read. He later became a bit of a mentor to me when I would stop by his shop with a question when I was a teenager.
    The first shop I worked in as a mechanic belonged to JT Carpenter a long time dirt track racer in Central Texas. Those guys were 100 % hot rodders with their dirt modifieds.
    Sometimes folks live in their own little world and don't look over the fence to see what is on the other side.
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  7. canman
    Joined: May 6, 2010
    Posts: 122


    Quite true. The guy's who started Hot Rodding were for the most part WWII vets just home.
  8. Hemi Joel
    Joined: May 4, 2007
    Posts: 1,093

    Hemi Joel
    from Minnesota

    Regarding the person in question, it's okay not to know everything. But he shouldn't think that he does.
    RidgeRunner, Tman, loudbang and 3 others like this.
  9. chucka
    Joined: Oct 29, 2018
    Posts: 42


    Is he a Klingon by any chance? They don't have racing there, I don't think - -
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  10. Joe Travers
    Joined: Mar 21, 2021
    Posts: 362

    Joe Travers
    from Louisiana

    Really dig those pics of Gurney growing up in his cars. Was a Gurney fan as a very young guy. Seeing that progression from street roadster to GT-40 is quite the life! An eye-opener in determination, if there ever was one. :cool:

  11. The sad thing is he knows a couple hall of fame caliber stock car racers.

    Rich Ricci a hot rodder turned oval track racer. Rich use to terrorize the streets of Kingston NY with his Y-block powered 40 Ford. He still owns the 40.

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    Rich Ricci (left) with his granddaughter (current big block modified racer) Allison Ricci

    The other "Little" Joey Lawrence stock car machinic/builder/driver turned hot rodder in modern times.
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  12. canman
    Joined: May 6, 2010
    Posts: 122


    Hell yeah!!!
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  13. drtrcrV-8
    Joined: Jan 6, 2013
    Posts: 1,463


    In a case like that 'bout all you can do is pop his head back up his butt, buckle his belt EXTRA TIGHT for him, then quietly walk away....
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2021
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  14. Flathead Dave
    Joined: Mar 21, 2014
    Posts: 3,418

    Flathead Dave
    from So. Cal.

    I always thought that all race cars were hot rods. Maybe that guy could set me straight?
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  15. Dave G in Gansevoort
    Joined: Mar 28, 2019
    Posts: 656

    Dave G in Gansevoort
    from Upstate NY

    Can't fix stupid! Well you can, but it's not legal!

    I always thought of the Valley modifieds as Hot Rods. Now my project is being built with a lot of the same parts we used back in the day, oh and it's a T bucket, mostly...
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  16. Tman
    Joined: Mar 2, 2001
    Posts: 34,638


    @Robert J. Palmer your friend may have uttered the dumbest statement ever about hot rods and racing
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  17. DDDenny
    Joined: Feb 6, 2015
    Posts: 15,159

    from oregon

    I worked with a guy that was trying to impress me all the time with his "knowledge" about hot rods, racing, etc. I always thought his range of automotive interests was a little spotty.
    Discovered that he was a lifelong Popular Mechanix subscriber.
  18. $um Fun
    Joined: Dec 13, 2008
    Posts: 597

    $um Fun
    from Nor Cal

    Its hard to reason with mud people.
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  19. Marty Strode
    Joined: Apr 28, 2011
    Posts: 6,003

    Marty Strode

    Around here, Track Roadsters were billed as Hot Rods, before the magazine came out. 2012-09-18 191024.jpg
  20. Duffy Livingstone's Eliminator

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  21. B.A.KING
    Joined: Apr 6, 2005
    Posts: 3,777


    Most of us on here are PASSIONATE about cars/hot rods and racing. Not all are.Like some ,I listened to racing on the radio before it was on TV . I read everything I could about INDY,DAYTONA,and anything from California car related. And I had 4 older brothers who were heavy into cars.
    Bottom line,SOME FOLKS JUST DON'T GET IT. Smile and carry on!!
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  22. Pit Pass from Rhythm Inn Speedway Millers Falls, Massachusetts


    Racing from Rhythm Inn Speedway-

    The track was located on the same property as a strip club that was its namesake.
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