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Technical Help please with starter relay

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by hotrodmano, Jul 22, 2017.

  1. hotrodmano
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    My ignition consist of one key "on /off and one start button...soo Im a bloody forrigner. Where do I wire? What is "hot" in the start position and "hot" in the run position. I have an idea but would like confirmation before I blow my roadster up
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  2. Sheep Dip
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    When you say "Start Button" are you referring to a separately mounted from the ignition button or toggle on the dash
     
  3. Post up the rest of your picture.

    From ignition switch Hot in "start" position will go directly to starter's "S" terminal. There will also be a wire that comes from the starter's "I" terminal back to the coil.

    From the ignition switch Hot in run position goes to the fuse box, and from the fuse box to the coil.

    Your start button should get power from the Fuse box only when key is on. When you push the button it sends power to the S terminal.
     
  4. sloppy jalopies
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    are you using a stock [1] wire '30s-'40s starter button ? ... they were positive ground and sent ground from the dash itself to the solenoid, but with today's 12v. negative ground systems you would need a [2] terminal push button switch [isolated].
    this will become a momentary switch that takes 12v.pos. in and sends 12v pos. out to your solenoid when depressed...
    andy, here on the hamb found me a sourse... $12 I think... Cole Hersee Co. ...
    look just like the fords but don't have the word start stamped into them.... thanks bud ! DSCN1008.JPG
     
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  6. hotrodmano
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    Its a two wire button and im switching from 6 to 12 volt so it should be straightforward, if it hadent been for the clumsy dock boys who fried everything during shipping. Ive tested the switch and ign and its working. I just need to know what one means by "hot in the start position" and "hot in the run position The "Start" position is switch on, right? and the "run" is from my pushbutton switch?? or???

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  7. Sheep Dip
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    Use the hot in run position to power your coil and the start button, forget the hot in start, if I'm understanding what you have to work with.
    If you have access to an ohm meter or test light you can confirm all the post on your switch. 31 Vickey is correct
     

  8. Ok, that terminology is for a ignition switch, right? Yes
    A standard ignition switch with 4 positions right? Yes
    4 positions 1 accessory, 2 off, 3 run, 4 start right? Yes

    You have a 2 position switch, right? Yes
    Off and on right? Yes

    The only wire, just one wire goes on hot in start position, and that wire goes direct to the starter solenoid S terminal.
    HOWEVER since you're using a remote mount start button on a 2 position ign switch you need ALL the wires to be "hot " meaning with power in the ON position. The one wire going to the starter get a Normally open /momentary close starter button.
     
  9. hotrodmano
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  10. sloppy jalopies
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    just a thought...
    but maybe wire it through the key's ACC contact...
    ACC becomes hot when the key is switched to ON.. but no juice to the points...
    you can leave the key on ACC to jog the starter and not burn out the points...
     
  11. hotrodmano
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    No ACC. Just an on and off switch and a starter pushbutton.

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  12. hotrodmano
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    Heres the complete scematic. Would this work with an on and off ign.switch and a separate startbutton. If not, what would ev. be different. And, my starter relay is not marked on the battery/starter terminals, only on the "S" and "I" terminals. Is it a two way switchrelay or does it go one way only? Its the Standard SS581t Relay. Ive seen scematics for opposite batt/starter connections so Im not sure.[​IMG]

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    Last edited: Jul 23, 2017
  13. Does this rig have a fuse box? It should.
    Just to confirm,
    There should also be two sides to the fuse box.
    One side is hot all the time.
    the other side is hot only when the ignition switch is turned on.

    Your 2 position ignition switch is added,
    Your start button is added
    Your fuse box is added
    image.jpeg

    The actual relay you have in your hand will need bench tested to see if it matters which side gets the starter cable. More likely the cable lug closest to the S terminal goes to battery.
     
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2017
  14. Let's say you wire this as its setting in an engine test stand.
    Something without lights, signals, horn, just to make it run on a temporary basis.

    image.jpeg
     
  15. mcmopar
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    31vicky, ya helped me out and made it look easy, Thanks.
    Tony
     
  16. I am running a Pertronix module and coil so no resister. Wiring 002.jpg
     
  17. hotrodmano
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    Thanks guys. Its aprecciated.
     

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