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Folks Of Interest Help me find a thieving, no good, dirty bastard from Australia...

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Ryan, Jan 15, 2018.

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  1. Rip off is rip off Period! This is different but similar: Summit and others sell grab bags of logo stickers. One could just take those and resell right? What about guys selling sticker collections? I'm just curious about this, stickers on fee-bay for sale all the time
     
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  2. CNC-Dude
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    That is different, and nothing is wrong with reselling things like that. What makes it criminal is when you reproduce those stickers or images yourself or pay someone to do it for you when you are not authorized to do so.
     
  3. Here is where your example is flawed: The grocery store buys the Pepsi product legitimately from Pepsi (or a legitimate Pepsi supplier) and then uses the Pepsi logo with permission to re-sell the actual, legitimate Pepsi product.

    The issue here is that the H.A.M.B. artwork was not purchased, licensed, or otherwise legally obtained, and is being sold for profit with no returns or dividends to the original owner or creator.
     
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    I totally got your intention, thought it was funny, but thought someone who didn't know you a little would take you seriously. Lol.

    Looks like this'll get sorted right. There's always one bad egg in the mix. Its sad that the Aussy Kiwi thing usually pops up. Our forefathers fought together in Gallipoli, us Hot Rodders should stick together like a bunch of good bastards, and stomp out thieving bsstards.
     
  5. karl share
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    The decal vendor was at the picnic at hanging rock car show today,seen a lot of trade marked decals including the 1953 H.A.M.B. one in question.
    He would have had to give all his details to the Macedon Ranges and district motoring club to be on site selling shit.
    It might pay to e-mail the club and ask for his details.
     
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  6. Blue One
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    You were there in person?
    If I had been there in person I would have been asking who I could talk to to get that information and also inform them of what he was up to.
    Action should be taken, not merely suggesting a course of action.
    Hopefully this will be sorted out soon.
     
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  7. karl share
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    Yes i was there in person. I will make some inquiries with the person who organizes the vendors to see if i can get more details.
     
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  8. HOTFR8
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    I did not make it to Hanging Rock.
    We have a few different phone numbers for him and an email address.
     
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  9. Locoxp
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    So Ebays "max's motoring emporium" and username "dionm8901" is a dead end?? If this is the guy Ryan can send a message/ email from there... it even pisses me off hes called them stickers instead of decals...what a psycho
     
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  10. HOTFR8
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    The Ballarat Swap is just a few days away now. Lets see if this fellow shows up at that event. If so lets show him that we do not like what he has done to Ryan and his forum.
     
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  11. Clik
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    Just playing Devil's Advocate here. Look at it like a thought exercise and not judgement: Let's say I see a painting. I make a mental image of that in my brain. Can anyone claim ownership of the image in my brain? Can they demand I erase it/forget it? Now let's suppose that I use pen and ink and put the image from my brain to paper. I own the pen. I own the ink and I own the paper. Can I not sell the ink and paper that I own because I arranged the two from an image in my brain?
     
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  12. Blue One
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    :confused: o_O You obviously don't understand copyright law.
    The image in your brain as you put it does not belong to you. It was created by the person who created the painting or image from their own creativity.
    You can keep the image as long as you like, you can even put it on paper, but you crossed the line when you added in selling it.
    So no, you can't sell the paper and ink :rolleyes: , it's the image that you don't own. :p
     
  13. pitman
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    Like the 'Bootleg' concert recordings, being marketed.
     
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  14. Fortunateson
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    Hanging Rock.... if there was ever a more suitable place to resolve this I can't think of it. LOL
     
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  15. eaglebeak
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    There is a difference between stickers and decals. Do you know it?
     
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  16. Clik
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    I understand THE LAW (echo, echo, echo) but the LAW isn't always just. How can you claim ownership of an image in my brain? How do you define the act of claiming?
     
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  17. BJR
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    Have another beer and think about it! :D
     
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  18. Clik
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    I'm not sold on patent law/copyright law but I am a firm believer in the libertarian Non Aggression Principal and I consider fraud an aggression. It seems to me that if an image was signed there might be a stronger case based on fraud/forgery. If I had an image that I was concerned about I think I would sign and number them. Once again, I don't have a dog in this fight.
     
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  19. tfeverfred
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    Excuse me, but.... how are you NOT getting any of this? No one gives a shit what's in your head and you can draw it on wolf shit, if that pleases you. But..... BUT.... you can NOT sell the drawn image as your own, WITHOUT the expressed consent of the ORIGINAL owner of the image.


    Yea..... wolf shit. You can draw on it.
     
  20. VANDENPLAS
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    Let’s get the thread back on track

    Let’s find this guy

    Copyright is copyright

    You can’t sell someone else’s stuff as your own

    Done and done


    Wolf shit...... gonna use that one, not sell it, but use it !
     
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  21. HOTFR8
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    Wait until some one steals your identity and you find you can get get a loan or credit card and maybe then you will think about Trade Mark and how it is there to protect the owner of that logo etc.

    By the way this guy did not re draw the image and copied it directly from an Image Ryan sold to us as a calendar with the HAMB logo that has TM on it showing the image is trade marked.
     
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  22. Clik
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    HOTFR8, ID theft is fraud which is different than copyright infringement. If the first hot rodder to paint flames on his car copyrighted it no one else could do theirs without consent, is that your premise?
     
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  23. Dick Stevens
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    Now you're taking this to the ridiculous, the perp printed the calendar which has the HAMB logo which is clearly marked as being trademarked and is selling them without consent! Whether you agree with copyright law or not has nothing to do with this, if you break the law you should and will face the consequences of your actions!
     
  24. wvenfield
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    No you can't. I wish all questions were this easy.
     
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  25. wvenfield
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    Nobody is asking the guy to erase the images from his brain.
     
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  26. CNC-Dude
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    Not really, the copyright is specific to an exact image almost like a blueprint. There are millions of variations of flames that would still resemble flames but wouldn't be an exact reproduction of the original copyrighted flame design. Very similar to music and scale notes, subtle changes in how the music notes are played doesn't knockoff the original copyrighted music.
     
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  27. Clik
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    I wish you guys were as passionate about fighting to prevent the further loss of our hot rodding rights as you are a sticker.
     
  28. Clik
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    I bet you wouldn't get away with opening a McDoogle's Restaurant with red arches that serves a Big Mick sandwich.
     
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  29. Pssst! @Ryan , you might want to start a new thread....just sayin'
     
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  30. Dick Stevens
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    Stir the shit pot.jpg
     
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