help... hilborn car pics and info needed

so, i have decided to do a lakes car very similar to the old hilborn car. being so narrow questions have come up such as pedal configurations, seating and engine arrangement, and various motors the car had. thus far i have only found two pictures of the car, subsequently i believe i got both here on the hamb. SO, any one able to shed some light on this??? for those who dont know the hilborn car i will add the two pics i have...

 

First hot rod to top 150. July 1948. Injected flatty. Cant be of much help as the particulars of how the car was built.

 

Yes, check out the Rodder's Journal issue about Stuart Hillborn. I think it was an issue from last year. And by the way, very nice idea. I love that little beetle-bug! Your car will be very neat.

 

xderelict is building one similar, lots of pics on the board.

 

Built by Jim Lattin as seen in 2005 GNRS, I shared my space with him. He said that most of the original has disappeared. THis is as large as I can do here but I can email a larger pic.

 

From the CT News august 1948.............New camera, If someone wants to correct the light & direction please do so.

 

A similarly sized 1930s "big" car.

 

Here's a photo of the first Stu Hilborn injector and a rendering of the car....hope it helps.

 

thanks every one, definitely helping! still pondering gas, brake, and clutch pedal placement and assembly..

 

Pretty hard to stuff all that into a narrow space and make it convienent to use. Most, upright, narrow, open wheel race cars use a rear mount remote brake m/c. A hyd. clutch could be set up the same, which would free up a lot of space.

 

Thats one of the coolest cars ever built.. And could be built to be VERY comfortable, and FUN!

Good luck.

Here are some "Cockpit Pictures" that might help you.























Joshua Shaw...
Shaw Hot rods.

 

I cleaned these up a bit with GraphicConverter. They're a bit better now that they're in black and white.

Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/

 

OK! What is the story on this project? Ranger aircraft engine? What is the chassis from, really like the taper to the rear horns.

 

holy hell that helps alot! i was looking through a tom medelly book today called "history of hot rodding part 2" and it had a lot of very good detailed pics of front suspension set ups and he shed a little light on how they would set it up on the severely narrowed frames.. essentially the used a tube axle (or at least most pics i saw from both pre and post war pics they were running what i would believe is a 37 tube axle) with mounts welded to it for parallel leafs. as for that last pic, it looks like a homemade from out of box tubing 37kid.

 

Check it out in the Vintage Sprint car Picture thread on here... Page 5 and page 63.

Neat car.

JD

 

Here's a few more of the Jim Lattin recreation, also from GNRS...





































...click on any of the pics to see more.

 

A streamlined nose cone for the drag link forward socket!! Incredible detail there!
Looks like rear mechanical brakes with actuators extended to within the body. I assume pedal is the clutch, and there's a hand lever in there somewhere for the brake?

 

What are those tires that are on the recreation? Are those true to the original?

 

If you click on one of the pics it will take you to a album of about 75 detailed pics. Appears that the round pedal is the cable operated brake and the clutch is above (?)

 

those are phenominal!

 

Jim and crew did a phenominal job on that version, I kid with Jim all of the time that when he's done with it. I want it. It would just be fun to tool around the pits @ CHRR.Bonneville, Muroc or even El Mirage.

 

Take a look at stu's car. No front spring, no rear spring, in and out box, frame narrowed in rear to attach at differential,, frame depth shortened,.

When I saw it when it had injectors I don't think it was a 21 stud, had pictures of ithe injectors , but long gone.

Mighty rough ride I would say!

redos don't have nice curves of rear tail, but still attractive cars.

I think a Rufi redo would be just as interesting, and less common!


traderjack

 

Rootie!@! You have NO IDEA how much showing that picture just helped me on a project at the shop! THANKS!

Hell Yeah..

JD

 

You're welcome, I guess, I just clicked a mouse, a certain Bill Warth, it seems, would be the one to thank.

 

Josh do a body like the hilborn car in fiberglass for the sprint car chassis

 

"Just clicked a mouse"... Yeah, but you know us Race car drivers are not real bright!

Ron, My next body will be a copy of the Two seater "Four Wheel Drive" FWD Miller car. "The Last Great Miller"

Two were built, The main car was restored and here in Cincinati and is owned by Zakira's and is now in Europe (I think) BUT!! The second car, An exact duplicate has been found by a friend of mine here in Cincinnati as well, and is undergoing Restoration SOON!! Very Exciting.








Sorry, Dont mean to Hi-jack..

Besides, check out this car on line.. "The miller FWD special" It might help you too.

Joshua Shaw

 

are we talking about the "stream liner" he built?? chevy 4 banger with an olds head and ford crank... the car they put "pants" on the rear tires/wheels to try and streamline to get more speed and ended up getting less? if so... i wish i could build something like THAT car..

 

Thanks for the detailed shots of Jim Lattins car! Never knew the car was unspring, or are there springs hidden in there somewere? Really like that rear brake streamlining.