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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by King ford, Feb 14, 2019.

  1. Engineers... the horror stories I could tell... I wish I had a dollar for every time I sat in a job meeting and carefully explained to an engineer why what he designed either wouldn't fit or wouldn't work, sometimes both. You'd get an arrogant one once in a while who would insist he knows more than any 'tradesman', which almost always resulted in doing it at least twice; once his way, and again to make it actually work/fit. The lawsuits came later... LOL. The ones with common sense (notice I didn't say smarter) would listen.

    Best one I ever worked with was a English guy working for a Dutch company. A local firm purchased a 'process system' from the Dutch which at the time was 'euro-spec' but didn't meet all NEC or UL requirements, so they sent this guy along to help work out the differences. He was a pleasure to work with, and I complimented him on it. Told him he was quite unlike our home-grown versions, he seemed to understand the practical aspects much better. He laughed, and said 'It's because we're trained differently. If you want to enter into construction engineering at home, you have to enter and successfully complete an abbreviated apprenticeship in that discipline before you're allowed to proceed to higher learning. You need to know how to build it before you're allowed to design it. Helps clear out the 'book smart only' people'.

    When I first started in the trade, there were still 'old school' engineers who would furnish a fully-developed design; you could pretty much build what they drew (although these guys disappeared quickly, mostly by retirement). By the time I retired, this had devolved to 'design-build' bid packages with only partial engineering done at best, the remainder dumped on the bidder. The bidder would 'finish' the design, usually by using low-paid draftsmen, then have an engineer 'approve' it. If you were lucky the engineer would actually look over the design and correct the worst mistakes, but many simply put their stamp on them and sent them out the door.

    A good engineer is worth his weight in gold IMO (and there are still some good ones out there), but the faster/cheaper mentality that prevails these days seldom allows them to show their stuff...
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  2. rockable
    Joined: Dec 21, 2009
    Posts: 3,387


    I got 2 degrees in Agricultural Mechanization and spent 38 years selling and designing hydraulic systems. My son is an ME. Do I count?
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  3. reagen
    Joined: Nov 2, 2005
    Posts: 200


    I got a train set does that count, that makes me a engineer right
  4. N2hotrods
    Joined: Jul 6, 2010
    Posts: 146


    Mechanical engineer. Practicing field air conditioning ,heating and ventilation for commercial buildings. Retired and opened a hot rod fabrication shop.
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  5. That's what makes a good designer, general, CEO, leader, Forman etc
    An abbreviated apprenticeship is at least something.
  6. Boneyard51
    Joined: Dec 10, 2017
    Posts: 4,934


    I’ve got two degrees, earned them in the early Seventies. Used them for a couple of years, but then earned my living from what my Dad taught me growing up on the ranch. 33 years as a Fire Dept Mechanic.Worked for me.

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  7. mickeyc
    Joined: Jul 8, 2008
    Posts: 1,221


  8. EC1D33E4-D08F-44BA-9A49-3CEA38EA37E6.jpeg

    I make engine noises..... does that count ?:p
  9. fordf1trucknut
    Joined: Feb 13, 2007
    Posts: 1,118


    PE here but not mechanical (i am civil) however my wife has her PE liscence in mechanical.
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  10. mickeyc
    Joined: Jul 8, 2008
    Posts: 1,221


    Working as an Ironworker for 46 years I have encountered a plethora of engineers. I myself am not.
    However I am a very good practical engineer and can solve most of the problems I encounter with my vintage vehicle endeavors. The problems I can not
    comfortably solve I rely on the engineers at the Nuclear
    plant where I work. Smart cookies they are. I also worked with a group of Dutch Engineers who were
    as someone stated here, very good at practical solutions. I have had many engineers come to myself and other tradesmen to ask our opinion about certain
    aspects of a project related issue. I felt complimented
    that they would seek us out to confer with. I have also
    flat refused to follow some direction or process that I
    knew would lead to a mishap or worse.
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  11. 57tailgater
    Joined: Nov 22, 2008
    Posts: 711

    from Georgia

    I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering Technology. It has suited me well over my career and has fit me both on and off the job.

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  12. Enganeer, Hell I can't evn spel it.
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  13. Fordors
    Joined: Sep 22, 2016
    Posts: 3,537


    At GM's Electro-Motive division I ran the sintered metal operation for 20 years and worked closely with an engineer that had both Metallurgical and Mechanical degrees and he always made sure I received credit when I solved an issue we were having. I had the practical experience and he had the degrees making us a great team.
    As a student I pretty much took up space in high school, hence my signature line seen below-
    My school colors are black and blue, I attended the School of Hard Knocks where I received a Masters Degree in Chronic Mopery.
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  14. I consider myself an imagineer, I think of an idea, then keep fumbling and rebuilding, till I do it.
  15. 98.6* F Yankee Enginuity! ;)
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  16. King ford
    Joined: Mar 18, 2013
    Posts: 1,466

    King ford
    from 08302

    You may be the man with the answers to my questions!..." conversation " sent your way!
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  17. BE in Mechanical Engineering.
    MS in Avionics Engineering.
    But I earn a living making PowerPoint slides & arguing for budget $$. :rolleyes:
  18. We had an estimator at one shop who believed (erroneously) that blueprints were the Holy Grail. I told him I considered them as a guide only, and wouldn't let them stifle my imagination. He nearly had a coronary... and was gone long before I was... LOLOL!
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  19. indyjps
    Joined: Feb 21, 2007
    Posts: 4,160


    Good one. Reminds me of a process I used to go thru with the design team, called, tell me how youre gonna weld that. What part goes first, second, etc, how will you fixture it, oops, we just lost our datums.
    We stopped one day when the design engr told me the welder will just have to crawl inside... NoGo, lets meet again next week. :eek:

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  20. Fortunateson
    Joined: Apr 30, 2012
    Posts: 4,026


    Got a BEd with a major in psychology. Severe me well in education for 37 years. My son is a Mechtronics and Robotics tech. I was always interested in bikes and cars. When I was a kid I was THE neighbourhood bike mechanic. Today I do almost everything around the house and cars but I am smart enough to know when to ask for advice or help. People ask me where I learned this stuff and I always reply that I learned it by watching and asking questions. When my son was going through BCIT for some of the courses he already knew a lot of the material and sometimes helped the instructor. I asked him where he learned all that stuff and he replied, "YouTube University!". But aren't we all engineers of some degree?
    Humans crave so loving puzzles and working out solutions. Back to regular programming.
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  21. oldiron 440
    Joined: Dec 12, 2018
    Posts: 2,116

    oldiron 440

    I have a son in law that went to MIT on a scholarship "smart guy" one summer him and is beautiful bride were home and we were all on the river taking turns on the PWCs, he was going to the dam and back, a total of 14 miles. He finally shows up wet I asked him what had happened because the year before this young man had tipped over a sea doo three times in one day, he said he had jumped a wake and when it hit the water the sea doo just ripped from his hands and out from under him. I laughed so hard that I had tears as he tried to explain in a totally logical way.
  22. 1ton
    Joined: Dec 3, 2010
    Posts: 537


    I like to brag about my PhD. It's in my shed. It's my post hole digger.
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  23. Moselli
    Joined: Feb 16, 2009
    Posts: 100


    I have a complete set of Craftsman wrenches including a rare 25/32”.

    Does that count?
  24. brianf31
    Joined: Aug 11, 2003
    Posts: 689


    Mechanical engineer here. I spent years designing bus body structure and various Air Force military ground support equipment and aircraft repair tooling. I'm presently Chief Body Engineer for a school bus company.

    One of my neatest projects was reverse engineering and updated technical drawing package development of the 40mm Bofors cannon for the Air Force. They use it on the AC-130 gunships.These auto cannons were originally used as pom-pom guns on WWII Navy ships. We started from a vintage disassembled cannon and the original, musty '40s blueprints. I still remember the smell of the prints and old cosmoline.
  25. Boneyard51
    Joined: Dec 10, 2017
    Posts: 4,934


    Are those the Quad 40s that they had on aircraft carriers? That was my Dads gun on the U.S.S. Enterprise CV6, during WWII.

    Last edited: Feb 15, 2019
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  26. $um Fun
    Joined: Dec 13, 2008
    Posts: 578

    $um Fun
    from Nor Cal

    In my profession the watchers are being watched. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
  27. FalconMan
    Joined: Sep 9, 2008
    Posts: 1,353

    from Minnesota

    I'm an electrical engineer and have worked with countless mechanical engineers that have never changed the oil in their car.... go figure

    Can't spell gEEk without an EE

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  28. brianf31
    Joined: Aug 11, 2003
    Posts: 689


    I think they were usually ran in pairs. Many a Japanese Zero was downed with 'em.

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  29. dana barlow
    Joined: May 30, 2006
    Posts: 4,338

    dana barlow
    from Miami Fla.
    1. Y-blocks

    Professor Of Hammers, HA !, I'm retired,but for 40+ years designed,built,an drove racecars,winning around 400 races. Built a good number of hot rods an customs as well.
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2019
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  30. Cgrgrspt10
    Joined: Mar 22, 2014
    Posts: 19


    I'm a senior mechanical engineer, over 45 years, same job. There is a reason dinosaurs went extinct.
    I love my job, with a big company, and I work half time; gives a better work-life balance. Always have a few projects in the garage, do volunteer work one day a week, love to TIG weld, and attend all swap meets in the Denver area. Almost all my mechanical design work, I do on the computer first, do the analysis, then re-do till I get it right. Life is good. It's a great vocation.

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