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Hallock ,Lee Grey, G&O w/s frame history????

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by jackandeuces, Aug 12, 2013.

  1. SUHRsc
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    I don't recall getting a reply...

    Here is a photo of Duck Hallock's car without the windsheild, but you can see that he did indeed bolt it through the side.
    I know some of the versions did not attach this way.

    My roadster I believe had one of these windshields on it.
    I wish there was more to distinguish the car without them.

    I always wonder if its one of the originals that hasn't surfaced otherwise.
    It has a normal windshield post section welded back on. So you wouldn't know the difference without looking up inside.

    Has the holes through the top of the cowl posts, which were since welded shut, the gas filler shaved and the tank moved to the trunk.
    Looks like a couple small holes welded shut on the top surface of the tank. Very rusty in there as it never had paint. The gas filler "patch" looks like OLD work.
    Always on an A frame with a 4-cyl as far as I know.

    May never know for sure...

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  2. 08racer
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    He is another old pic I found. This one has a top on it though.
     

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  3. mcbay
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    Found this from another post on the Hamb by JRodder

    Although that is a Hallock windshield, that isn't my uncle's (Dick Courtney) roadster. His was black, and didn't have the pan over the front frame horns. From what I understood, the Hallock windshield frames were made in the shop class at Fullerton High School using the brass out of melted-down surplus aircraft engines, and were all used by Knight Riders club members (although I see the Strokers banner in the picture). There were some 12-14 cast originally, and my uncle made a list of who got them all - which I have. He wound up with 3, and made 3 identical roadsters with all of them, 2 of which I believe still survive. I also have a letter written by Hallock's brother to my father (both Army Air Corps pilots and Fullerton classmates) explaining what he remembered of his brother's involvement with the windshield. I'll dig that stuff back out if anyone is interested. There was also an article in Street Rodder many years ago on the subject. I know some later repops of the frame have been made, surely none as sought after as the original 14.

    Okay here is the problem with this, if these were made at FHS by Frank and Dick and the 3 Courtney cars had those very frames, then where did the G & O ones come from? Were there two patterns used and cast around the same time by the same guys? There is an obvious difference between the Courtney/Hallock and the Lee Grey frames and I can see that some guys would prefer one over the other.
    We need some input from the likes of Alex X, Isky, etc that were around when this stuff was happening. Does anyone know what happened to JRodder?
     
  4. 08racer
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    Well just find me a lee gray frame and ill be all set. Thanks!


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  5. mcbay
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    Just saw a picture in Hot Rod Roots book of two G & O equipped roadsters.
    The one in the lower right front has a 37 tube, I have never seen that car.
    Anyone have that book and can scan that picture??
     
  6. 08racer
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    What page?


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  7. Scanned pics would be great.....
     
  8. mcbay
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    Looks like one of the first inside pages with a full size group photo of a lot of well known cars.
     
  9. 08racer
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  10. mcbay
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    You can view some pages of the book but you cannot copy them. The group picture is from the 1948 LA Expo of the SCTA cars.

    Here is a new development.

    An advert from the SCTA program for Duke Hallock. The Hot Rod Foundation is not too free with their images either.:cool:
     

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  11. mcbay
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    Here is the photo of the 1948 SCTA group prior to the LA EXpo.
    Not real good, it is a photo from the monitor.
     

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  12. sanfordsotherson
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    Does the 'G' in G&O stand for Gray? If so, I wonder what the 'O's for.
     
  13. jackandeuces
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    We are hoping someone will step up with that information..Ad was from Azusa very close to you..that maybe could be a task for you..
     
  14. mcbay
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    Here is the Lee Gray ad from Hot Rod magazine May 1948 showing 212 Magee Dr. Whittier, Cal as the address.
     

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  15. mcbay
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    Here is the SCTA group photo from the 1948 Hot Rod Expo at the national Guard Armory in LA Jan. 23-25

    Upper left car may have a Hallock but the lower right car is fitted with a Lee Grey windshield

    Anyone with more pictures of the Expo........
     

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  16. Interesting.
     
  17. weez
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    As far as copies go, I've never heard of any pre-1990's. So if it's old, it's really old. Mine is a Rob Miller cast Hallock from the early 90's- I think it was '93 that I got mine. I think it was the first or maybe the second batch of castings he did, since I had seen Jack Underwood's '29 around about a year before that, or maybe just earlier that same year. I always loved the 2 revived Courtney roadsters I would see at LARS in the late 80's with original Hallocks- I was stoked when I was able to get a recast one and give my car that look.
     
  18. jackandeuces
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    We saw your w/s at Luckys in June, welded together...Looked good...
     
  19. sanfordsotherson
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    Yeah, 339 Barbara was a little house that was about 4 miles north of me. But, it was torn down sometime in the 60's to make way for the 210 freeway. An old 40's or 50's phone directory would show who lived there back then. Maybe Lee Grey, or maybe someone with an 'O' name.
     
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  20. mcbay
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    Lets get one and see.
     

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  21. mcbay
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    I like the Harold Osborne idea.......
     
  22. jackandeuces
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    Jimmy B & Sanfordsotherson, both are great clues. B+ grade. Harold Osborne's w/s does ,in fact, looks like a G&O...
     
  23. jackandeuces
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    Still looking for information...
     
  24. Anyone contact Frank Currie yet?

    Dennis
     
  25. jackandeuces
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    Found this poster with what appears to be a G&O windshield..Question does anyone recognize or may have seen the roadster in a book...1951 Plate, Long Beach....
     

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  26. mcbay
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    Cool photo...Not seen that car before. We have lost some traction on this posting. How about we offer a $500.00 reward ? That will spark things up.:D

    Dennis... Chris Shelton told me he interviewed Frank when he was doing the Little Pages article and said Frank did not recall much.
     
  27. jackandeuces
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    Reward must not be enough........HaHa....
     
  28. I was referring to this post:

    ack/Bubba, Fullerton High !!

    What about the roadster with the primered hood ???? Was that car in the Strokers?

    The question is were they all alike or were there a couple of different patterns made.

    I spoke with Chris Sheldon and he interviewed Frank Currie about the windshields. Chris said he did not recall much about them. If there was anyone else from Fullerton High.... I will ask a friend of mine to talk to Frank when he gets back from Bville.
     
  29. 08racer
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    Did he get back yet?


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