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History Halibrand - In pursuit of history & stories

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by flatblackindustries, Nov 25, 2008.

  1. N8B
    Joined: Sep 28, 2009
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    From everything I have heard from all of my contacts and research he is not.
     
  2. CENTURION
    Joined: Sep 23, 2007
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    Another Halibrand article.
     

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  3. hotrodpodo
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    This was the best use of Halibrands I had seen in some time...:cool:
     

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  4. craigibc
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    Ed died a few years ago and his son that was also a pattern maker gave up the trade and moved out of state. Sad deal. :(

    Thanks for the scanned article, Centurion!
     
  5. Conder
    Joined: Jan 16, 2005
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    Man, I'd give anything to talk to his son. Do you have a contact number or address for where he moved to?
     
  6. N8B
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    Craig,

    Is his wife still alive? I was told they lived in the mid west (Kansas maybe) after moving from California a good time ago.
    Thanks for the info.

    N8
     
  7. CENTURION
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font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> Interesting July 1963 article of re-drilling axle flanges to accomadate five lug single bolt pattern Halibrand wheels in lieu of double drilling the aformentioned five lug single bolt pattern Halibrand wheels.

    Approx what year did Halibrand begin to offer double drilled wheels?
     

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  8. KK500
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    Going back to post #58.....

     
  9. Maybe meant what some term as the pressure plate for pin drive knock-off wheels.

    Does anyone know if "Halibrand" ever cast an aluminum 16x10 or bigger Sprint wheel?

    Thanks,

    Charlie
     
  10. Conder
    Joined: Jan 16, 2005
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    Conder

    I've seen 15x14s in aluminum. 16x11s too, lying on the factory floor un-machined at Halibrand in Kansas. What's strange, is when the company was doing well in the early '90s you could get a lot of their icon wheels in aluminum. Many were sold...thousands. I never see them on Ebay or at swap meets. My guess is these aluminum wheels might be more "rare" than the original magnesium TRUE (Ted) Halibrands.
     
  11. 32-3 WINDOW
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    Charlie Chops 1940, i know they make 16x11 in aluminum , i have one of the old mold setting with raised name and casting # and a newer molded one with receased name , ive been looking for a mate to either one , if anyone has one for sale , i also have the 15x10s 12s and 14s , i have only ever seen one pair of 16x11 for sale before , and i wish i had of pulled the trigger, i hate polishing my magnesium ones
     
  12. Good to know. A member I sold a pair of Hals to has been looking for 16x11's in aluminum...sounds pretty much like unobtainium. I'll let him know the story.

    Thanks,

    Charlie
     
  13. EE-1
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    Not entirely sure if I'm correct here but these dragster rears look like Halibrand Speedways, not Sprints. I have a pair of 9.5" x 15" Mag Speedways which have the oval shape lip as on this dragster, which follows the curve of the oval wimdow to the outside of the wheel. Sprints have a more open & square lip shape while retaining the oval window on the backside. Speedways, as far as I understand it, are earlier and rarer than Sprints. I've even seen a picture in one of the magazines over the years of a dragster running 18" x (probably), WM2 Halibrand cast ribbed front spindle mount Speedways with MC tires.

    While I was at Halibrand In Wellington Ks. back in '96 with Tim Conder, we were looking over the inventory of patterns for just about everything from cast track nose grilles thru lobster claw brakes to 18" Watson roadster wheels, & lots of other stuff I'd never seen before - prolly customer's one offs - and attempted to persuade LeJuerrne to start remaking from these old patterns because it was what people wanted. But he wouldn't have any of it, he wanted to move on to forged billet, CAD machined wheels, steering wheels and all that BS. In the end it went pop without acheiving anything.
     
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  14. EE-1
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    Bruce,
    Re: QC's. Here's a rare one for ya....Allard, made here in the UK in early 50s (13 August 1952 to be exact). these are the only two examples known to exist for sure out of a single casting run of perhaps 15 units. one is in the original & now restored Allard Chrysler dragster, I own the other. There's also a picture here of the dragster QC when it was used in the Allard / twin Steyer V8 hill climb car - independent rearend setup.
     

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  15. OneRustedDodge
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    Just wanted to bump this thread and figured I'd also answer this question:

    The car was purchased from Greg Weld's rafters a number of years ago and sat until it was recently slated for restoration. The car is almost completely restored now and resides in the Inland Empire. That specific Shrike was actually Halibrand's "house car" and they would loan it out to racers for the weekend and used it as a test best for product R&D. One of the big things that gave this car away was the fact that it had a center mount shifter, versus one on the right - which means it was designed for the guys coming up from Midget/Sprint cars that had In-N-Out boxes. The car is a 1966 model and was eventually purchased by Agajanian.
     
  16. I can't believe how many Halibrand parts I've sold to fund a project!

    Posted using Full box of Crayons on the Kitchen Walls App!
     
  17. This thred is still very interesting to re-read after all these years.....
     
  18. dos zetas
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    These history discussions are soooo valuable, thanks for keeping this bumped up.
     
  19. GearheadsQCE
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    Let's try this again. Any undiscovered Halibrand info? I am not sure the original question was ever fully answered. The move to Torrance from Culver City is pretty well documented, but the Curt Waters, Harry Jackman, Barry Blackmoore era is a little fuzzy. Who owned it when it moved to where? And, how did the Bob Higman/National thing go down?
     
  20. Potvinguy
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    Just stumbled on this thread looking for Halibrand info. My bucket has a complete Halibrand QC IRS:
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    We bought it new in 1993. I've never seen another. Someone told me they were intended for Sprint cars and such racing. It's been really good for the last 20 years. Replaced all the bearings a few years ago.
     
  21. denis4x4
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    My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I think that Jackman bought the operation from Halibrand and moved it to El Cajon CA. Curt Waters was an employee at Culbert Automotive Engineering (CAE) and somehow conned Jim Culbert in to selling him CAE. When Curt moved the CAE operation from Lemon Grove to Santee, he cut a deal with Harry Jackman to distribute Halibrand stuff to the roundy round guys. From that point on, the only thing I know for sure is that Curt screwed a lot of cusomers and vendors before be folded his tent.
     
  22. DDDenny
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    Bringing this around again because as many others have said; I have had quite an obsession for many years with anything Halibrand.
    My current request centers on the wheels used in the time frame 1960ish to 1965ish.
    Mostly sprint car and dragster oriented. This request does not include the various Indy style wheels. Sizes would encompass 15x8-10 in. and 16x8-10 in.
    More specifically the "Speedway" style with the big oval windows. It still seems hard to find a timeline of mfg. and useage. To my knowledge these came out before the Sprint style that have the larger and more square openings.
    Any specs, photos, history, etc. would be appreciated because there seems to be quite a lot of fragmentation of facts and timelines.


     
  23. deucemac
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    R
    Reread post #60. It will clear your fuzzy memory. And, it also Reenforces my prior post about the downward spiral of CAE, ARC, and Halibrand. All from the damage caused the late crook, Curt Waters.
     
  24. OneRustedDodge
    Joined: Jan 28, 2007
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    Some photos from the collection of my friend, Bob Falcon

    Also, to the post above: I have the whole timeline laid out in a document at home. If you guys wants to know it step-by-step I can post it here.
     

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  25. DDDenny
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    from oregon

    Most definitely!
     
  26. GearheadsQCE
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  27. DDDenny
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    DDDenny
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    from oregon

    This is one of those threads that needs to be BTT'd regularly because we get new members daily and who knows what knowledge they may have on Halibrands' products and history that hasn't been posted before. Many times people are drawn here from doing their own internet investigating. I for one have a thirst for anything (Ted) Halibrand related.
     
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  28. GearheadsQCE
    Joined: Mar 23, 2011
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    DDDenny,
    I agree, I haven't been on this thread since November 2014. I hope OneRustedDodge will see this and supply the complete timeline on the Halibrand History.

    Something I just learned "Ted" Halibrand was actually Henry T. Halibrand. Found that on a patent search. He did have patents on the boat Vee Drive and some of the construction of the Shrike, but I haven't found anything on Quickchanges.

    Richard Lejuerrne, had the only Halibrand wheel patent that I have found.
     
  29. DDDenny
    Joined: Feb 6, 2015
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    DDDenny
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    from oregon

    That is sad!
    There could not be more distance between Ted Halibrands' accomplishments and that guy.
     
  30. Happy to see this back...
     

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