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Hot Rods Gennie, Lokar, American shifter. Which one to get?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by HotRodRyan, Dec 18, 2019.

  1. uncle buck
    Joined: Feb 13, 2007
    Posts: 1,566

    uncle buck

    I'm with Dean. I have had a Gennie in my 36 roadster with a TH-350 for 35 years and it has been trouble free the entire time.
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  2. Bandit Billy
    Joined: Sep 16, 2014
    Posts: 6,305

    Bandit Billy

    Cool but does the park lock out still work?
  3. Gman0046
    Joined: Jul 24, 2005
    Posts: 5,976


    Bought a Gennie shifter back in the nineties for a 350th and had no problems with it.
  4. Dave Mc
    Joined: Mar 8, 2011
    Posts: 1,937

    Dave Mc

    Had a problem with a Gennie that would shift itself when hitting a hard bump / pothole , so I adapted the Gennie upper to a Mustang unit which has more positive Detent ( notches ) problem fixed
  5. mj40's
    Joined: Dec 11, 2008
    Posts: 3,281


    I have a Gennie in my 40 Coupe. It works well. In the early days they had a problem of vibration causing them to drop down a gear when in drive. They had a fix for that and much better now. My 32 coupe had a Lokar and I hated it. When it was hot it would not shift into park. Let it cool for an hour and it would work again. It was not the trany but in the shifter itself. My new to me 32 Coupe has a Lokar and it works fine. Not fond of the knob button though. Makes it hard to replace with something cool.
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  6. Beanscoot
    Joined: May 14, 2008
    Posts: 1,340


    I'd hate to break a nail while accidentally shifting into Natural.
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  7. 1962 dodge lancer
    Joined: Feb 26, 2013
    Posts: 11

    1962 dodge lancer
    from joliet, il

    go with the gennie.
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    Joined: Sep 8, 2015
    Posts: 826

    from West, TX

    btw, bought my Gennie from summit, less $ than from Gennie and no freight.
  9. David Gersic
    Joined: Feb 15, 2015
    Posts: 2,103

    David Gersic
    from DeKalb, IL

    I’m pretty sure that this is really two knobs. The first, from Lokar, mounts to the stalk and operates the detent mechanism just like their other knobs. The difference is that the “button” of this knob is a threaded stud, so that the second knob (user supplied) has a place to mount.

    So, yes, the parking detent works. You push down on the whole knob assembly instead of the normal Lokar push down on the button in the middle of the knob.

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  10. Bandit Billy
    Joined: Sep 16, 2014
    Posts: 6,305

    Bandit Billy

    ^^^Good explanation! I will be changing knobs at some point after reading this.
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  11. flatout51
    Joined: Jul 26, 2006
    Posts: 979


    I've had both lokar and gennie. The gennie is way bigger in my experience and the instructions are far more vague. That being said they are solid. The lokar I had did develop a rattle after some use, the cable that runs inside the shifter. I'm about to decide on one for the AOD going in my shoebox and I'm going to go lokar again. I like the smaller package and I'll be using their TV cable, throttle cable and pedal so I just want to keep it all the same brand. I will be using one of their shift knob adapters to run my HAMB shift knob.

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  12. papajohn
    Joined: Nov 2, 2006
    Posts: 831


    I have, what looks like a Lokar. Not crazy about it. Shifts kind of vague. Wanted to get a longer handle, but heard bad things about them bouncing between gears.
  13. bchctybob
    Joined: Sep 18, 2011
    Posts: 2,047


    I had a Lokar with the long handle and a heavy shift knob and it did the same thing; changed gears on a hard bump like RR tracks. It seemed like the detents weren’t strong enough. I put a lighter shift knob (old Bakelite) and it was better.

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  14. I have used a Gennie on my 36 since the mid 80s without problem, I can't vouch for the others. I would buy another in a heart beat. Mitch.
  15. Binkman
    Joined: Nov 4, 2017
    Posts: 232


    I needed a shifter for my '34 2- dr project. The car has a new 302 and an FMX trans that came with the car.
    I looked at Summit, Jeg's Speedway, EBY, etc. They wanted $250-$350 bucks for a shifter.
    One day I was buying something on Amazon and thought to look there for a shifter.
    They listed an American Shifter for an FMX trans for 44.00. I conacted them to verify and bought it. They even shipped it for free during the holidays last year They said it was old stock and being discounted.
    It works great even if it is from the Hoffman guys.
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  16. flatout51
    Joined: Jul 26, 2006
    Posts: 979


    I bought a set of Hoffman group 32 rails. Far better quality than speedway rails and way less money. Fast shipping, I had zero issue.
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  17. 5brown1
    Joined: Apr 13, 2008
    Posts: 196


    I have both and prefer the Gennie. I like the detent feature which make is much easier to select the gear
    you want. I find the Lokar much more difficult to operate.
  18. 40FORDPU
    Joined: Mar 15, 2009
    Posts: 2,743

    from Yelm, Wa
    1. Northwest HAMBers

    Yes, DAVID GERSIC's explanation is spot on.
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  19. 0NE BAD 51 MERC
    Joined: Nov 12, 2010
    Posts: 1,144

    0NE BAD 51 MERC

    Actually at back to the 50's this last summer Lokar had a new shifter on display that is like a Gennie where you shift by the detents and does not have the button. They said it was brand new and would be going into production last fall. The display piece had a nice solid feel to it and you could install any knob you want.. You may want to check with Lokar about price and availability. Larry
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  20. 19Eddy30
    Joined: Mar 27, 2011
    Posts: 986

    from VA

    I have a set of Hoffman 32 rails , CHECK them, the set I have every body bolt hole where 1 inch to2-1/4 inches off , gas tank holes off by 1/2 to 1 inch , fire wall holes wrong location / backwards ( have 2 Original Fords ) frame was advertised for full fender car , No bolt holes . I have a original Ford sub rails , frame must have been drilled / stamped after a night of drinking , Try to contact Hoffman , No response , So I let the bank deal with . Hoffman parts are hit or miss!!
    Re-drilling holes / welding not to big of a deal
    "Time ", But that not what I paid for .
    I think about people that are building on a budget / limited tools or skill to correct problems. Then become discourage
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  21. Almostdone
    Joined: Dec 19, 2019
    Posts: 188


    I have the Gennie. I like the side detent they use. Reminds me of my dad’s old GTOs.
  22. error404
    Joined: Dec 11, 2012
    Posts: 230

    from CA

    I'm pretty sure that the shifter in my 33 is a Lokar. It seems to work just fine, don't know how easy it was to install, it was on there when I got the truck. I'm guessing the shift knob is supposed to be black, but in the light it has a purple tint to it. FYI.
  23. missysdad1
    Joined: Dec 9, 2008
    Posts: 2,839


    I did the research and pulled the trigger on a Gennie. I wanted one that mounted on the transmission not the floor, one with mechanical connection to the shift arm not cable, one that had side detents and one that I could custom fabricate my own shifter lever. The install isn't completed yet, but so far so good.
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  24. flatout51
    Joined: Jul 26, 2006
    Posts: 979


    I bought mine for my 33 pickup. It will be channeled and the rear bobbed so the stock holes do not matter to me. But mine are very close going off of the dimensions found on Wescotts website. Only issue I found was from the rear axle area back they spread a little wide. But that's an easy fix.

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  25. Jimbo von Cartier
    Joined: Nov 19, 2012
    Posts: 15

    Jimbo von Cartier

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    Joined: Mar 21, 2014
    Posts: 711

    from okc

    Replaced bandm star shifter with a gennie, loved it...
  27. Blake 27
    Joined: Apr 10, 2016
    Posts: 566

    Blake 27

    I am biased, my brother Tom Phipps designed and started Gennie Shifter Co. in the early 80s.
    One of the things I like best is the shift pattern, identical to most modern column shift cars. It's intuitive after driving passenger cars for years.
    The two jam nuts on the right side of the shifter adjust the friction drag eliminating "bump" shifting.
    I thought I'd include a couple pics of an early Gennie Shifter add featuring the late Angela Aames. Ad shoot--2.jpg-final.jpg Ad shoot-.jpg-final.jpg
  28. uncle buck
    Joined: Feb 13, 2007
    Posts: 1,566

    uncle buck

    Mine is that same early tubular mount design. It has worked flawlessly for 45 years - not that I noticed with Angela’s beauty in the same picture....

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  29. gimpyshotrods
    Joined: May 20, 2009
    Posts: 16,918


    Lokar. All I use for automatics.
  30. Rramjet1
    Joined: Mar 13, 2018
    Posts: 74


    Most of my cars have had Lokar and they worked great.
    Present car has Genie. I really like it.

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