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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by need louvers ?, Mar 22, 2013.
This is just plain cool. Cool.
That car is still going strong
Another nice 27
'Course, there is always "cut downs", the pre hot rod hot rod!
If this has not been posted yet, it's about time:
If anybody have any info, that would be nice too
I've gotta couple other pictures of this one I'll dig for later. I can tell ya it's on a narrowed "A" frame, though.
This just handed me...
Chip, you wonder how long it took them to either hack the top off of that sedan or swap the body for a roadster.
Did I ever post this one over here?
Okay, one more.
Not sure if this one has made it, either.
Oh, I like that!
Reminds me this:
That RPU is friggin' cool, wish I could hit the LIKE button about 42 times. I just need a 7/8ths scale me...
Interesting splash aprons on the green one, too.
Not sure if I added this one...
This one popped up today, without any info. I grabbed my copy of the March '65 Popular Hot Rodding, and filled in the blanks... Bob Grossie's from L.A., picture by Doug Hayes.
So, this is the one that I am semi-cloning for my client, Roy. This is Norm Grabowski's follow upcar after Kookie Car.
As a youngster, Roy worked as part of the crew at Lions Drag Strip, and did get to know Norm a bit, but got very close with this car when Norm sold it to Kay Trapp. Kay and Roy were good buddies, and he frequently was a pasenger in it when it was pushing off Trapp's dragster at tracks all over So-Cal. Trapp later sold it to the production company that made it into "My Mother The Car", where it disappeared.
So, this one might soon be reality around my hovel... Or at least one like it! The "T"they never made.
So, my buddy Jeem did some quick doodling the other day. He's kinda good at that.
I see 3 different styles of fenders , the ones in post 452 - 453 - 454 are all different , so , when did the different style's occur ?
Need Louvers they did make a 27 "T" pickup like that I used to own one the only difference between that and an 28-9 A is the cowl there are differences in the doors but most people would not know as the difference was in the latches and window trim but an A pickup door will bolt right on an t coupe sedan and pickup they are far and few between but they did make them
2old2fast they differences are they are all different years the roadster pickup is 26-7 the green roadster very early 22-23 and the black roadster is 23-25
Did you find any more on that?
Really honestly, Ford proper never did make that particular cab. From '23 to '27, they made a "C" cab, and an enclosed cab that was technically only "TT". It shared nothing with with the passenger car stuff, and was much "square-er" than the cab here.
You are 100% correct about the doors interchanging between the '26-'27 passenger cars and the '28-'29 trucks. Ford was a master of using what he had, and throughout the line while he was alive and involved in the company, last years deluxe was at least somewhat recycled into next year's standard. This little truck, however, is the opposite, with it's '28-'29 back panels and earlier cowl. The permutation with a '26-'27 cowl has never been common, but has been done many times over the years, as Ford stuff was built in a very "modular" fashion.
Here is a "TT" closed cab...
Sorry man, life has been crazy for the last year or so. I have more pictures of this one SOMEWHERE in literally hundreds of books and magazines scattered around this house. As soon as I have some time to sit, I'll do some digging and update. Anything in particular that you need to know about this combo that I can answer right away?
Let's see if I can logically break this down for you, with out going off on too many tangents...
"T"s in general break down into four "eras"
1909-1916 "brass era" this one is where the fenders with the straight fronts and rears come from like the fendered 'bucket in #452, although those fenders are most likely custom made for that car. Fenders from the Brass Era confuse the heck out of the fervent "T" resto freaks, 'cause they changed month to month.
1917-1921 "Low cowl" era. The beginnings of the assembly line era, and the end of each factory making it's own fenders by hand. All at this point were made in one of three or four centralized plants, and looked like what is on the car in #454, Gabby Garrison's "cut down". The thing to look for is the height of the grill shell, hood, and the cowl. The early cowl dives hard down to the firewall and hood, Unlike Gabby's car, which introduces us to the next era....
1923-25 "High cowl" era. This Gabby's car in #454. The fenders are basically the same, but the radiator, hood and cowl got about 1 5/8" taller, and the transition from the windshield to the hood was much smoother. Also, starting in '23, the windshield posts ran the full length of the windshield, and got raked back a few degrees.
1926-1927 "the last "T"s The car in #455 is a '26-'27. Ford revamped the body of the car to more reflect what their competition was doing at the time. The cowl got much wider, as did the whole body. The turtle deck, although still detachable to substitute a pickup bed, was more integrated into the body than it had been in years past. The fenders more closely followed the tires, and the rear actually mounted to the body rather than clamped to stands off the subframe, which was Ford practice for the next 21 years.
Hope that kinda helps...
Thanks , yes that does help . I think that I've seen so many T's over the years that were probably cars w/ a mixing of parts from different years that I'd lost track of what the subtle differences were ....
Funny, I was going to post some pictures of the different era cars, but dug through my stuff and found tons of cars made up of different era parts that would have been confusing as hell! I can do this though....
The '23-'25 era.... And the reason I dig "T"s! Period late twenties "cut down" chopped windshield, dropped hard.
The '26-'27, the end of the line era.
No, nothing special, the only reason I ask is because find the subtle chop so appealing, and I consider it the most well proportioned T coupe I've ever seen. S d the fact that almost nobody knows nothing about makes it very interesting to me.
Is it a car with name? Was it fast? Belong to someone HAMB-famous?
Ran what engine?
I think that some of the Tall Ts looks to tall. Sorry to the Tall T lovers. And the overly chopped doesn't do it for me, with a few exceptions.
And I think except for "The Thing", this is an very early dry lake coupe, from way back when most people ran roadster.
Is it that old, or does it only look that old.
And an early phone booth with a slight chop, full fendered, with a hood top (no sides), fair rake and 15 inch steelies would make a very nice shop truck. Maroon, Washington blue or midnight blue.
Got anything like that in your collection? B)
What you are seeing in that car that make the proportions different is the fact that it's on a Model "A" frame. That's another 3 1/2" wheelbase thrown into the mix, and in this case it's all in the hood. That means they stretched the running boards and aprons, too. The chop is about 4" or so, and yes, I agree on this car it's pretty subtle.
Here's the thing... About being a coupe instead of a roadster, See, SCTA was by far the largest post war timing association at the lakes, but they weren't the only one. SCTA didn't consider ANY car other than a roadster hot enough to allow it to run at their events. That is why when you look at the old postwar photos, 90% of the time they are roadsters. In '48, two different groups had members with coupes that wished to time them at the lakes, and Russetta Timing Association was born, in conjunction with the Glendale Coupes and Roadsters club. Suddenly, you could run and time a coupe at the lakes. As the guys figured out things like aerodynamics, chops, stuff like that, the speeds of the coupes approached that of the roadsters SCTA was timing. By early '50, SCTA started letting coupes and sedans compete at their lakes functions.
That is why so few coupes show up in the early pictures....
It was owned by someone known, but not famous, and I'm not aware that it held any particular records or anything like that. It's just plain neat, and one of the earliest chopped coupes in competition that you'll see.
Here is another, chopped on an "A" frame. Same stretch in the hood. If you look you can see how they did the stretch with the aprons and the running boards.
I shot this photo of @BenD for Chip.
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