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  1. torchmann
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    Hey look at this young man!!!
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  2. american opel
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    easy 29nash you might blow a "freeze out plug"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  3. RichFox
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    He dosn't want engine color. he wants aluminum covers. Seems harmless enough. Whats your difficulty with that? Everybody has to have the same soft plugs as you? Well! That's some original thinking.
     
  4. 29nash
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  5. american opel
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    and buy the way if he's stupid enough to want to make some billet freeze plugs then he is stupid enough to not know that we are making fun of him!
     
  6. 29nash
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    That's lame. When a bully gets caught, he claims he was kidding. Give me a break.

    american opel; You are an idiot.:D just kidding.:cool:
     
  7. american opel
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    you got to be kidding me.$48.00 for a non polished piece of aluminum and a rusty piece of steel?WTF!!i would be embarassed to have that pos.on my wifes cavelier!
     
  8. american opel
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    im not an idiot just a stupid backwoods redneck that spends more time than money on my stuff.i just dont see the point on spending that kind of time or money on something so un noticable and forgetfull.i think he could spend it on something better.imo!
     
  9. RichFox
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    You miss the point. The point was if you can make the same part out of sheet or billet is the sheet part good and the billet part inhearently bad? Is all billet bad? Are you a better person for buying a cast part or making your own one off billet part? Why would buying parts make you superoir? My new Dodge Bros motor has lots of billet parts. Crank, rods, and so on. And I plan to solder copper plugs in the holes used to remove the casting sand. Anyone here that thinks this is bad? Anyone who knows what catoluge I can find a side cover for a '26 Dodge Bros. engine. I may have to make one out of billet.
     
  10. american opel
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    you have a billet aluminum crank?
     
  11. RichFox
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    Yes. Very fast. Actually 4350. But I am surprised you had to ask.
     
  12. american opel
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    to be honest i didnt know they made billet alum.cranks.i thought that they would have to be too big to handel the hp.i guess i learned something new today.
     
  13. RichFox
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    It's good to know that I was able to help you. You may want to look up 4350 in some supplyers hand book. It has properties not seen often in Aluminum. But seen a lot in billet. Which applies to many more materials than 2024 or 6061. Maybe not in your world. I wouldn't know.
     
  14. torchmann
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    Ah, I was just saying what a billet was. billet parts primarily are machined from billets but could be made from plate. I know what you mean.
    I think what they mean by not going billet is they are trying to emulate a period that preceeds Lil John Buttera who was a master streetrod builder and streetrods are a little different build ethic than hotrods even though they are built from similar make cars.
    Billet represents a degree of finish that is considered over the top for a hotrod or may also be considered cliche and overdone
     
  15. american opel
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    this intriges me{sp?}i have seen some alum.rods and they were HUGE!!!i know alum.is lighter than steel but if you have to make up the streight with size how does it fit in the block?i would love to have some pics.of it!!!!!!to me there is only one thing worth spending money on,makeing my car go faster,{or mothersday for the wife so i can spend more money to go faster}.
     
  16. torchmann
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    ask the engine maker and he'll say they are clean outs to remove casting core material during manufacture.
    "freeze plugs" don't save an engine from ice damage = cracking
    Water expands when it freezes not before and the ice will not migrate to the hole after it it freezes and escape.
    If the plug freezes first and pushes the plug out the ice will prevent the rest of the water from getting out..
    It's a caveman myth that freeze plugs are freeze plugs but don't let the cavemen know that you know, know what I mean?
     
  17. RichFox
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    Oh God I hope you are kidding. The crank is the one with the counterweights. Also billet main caps. And a rod No I didn't have to pay somebody lots of bucks for the caps and they are nor aluminum. However the head is and the side cover and lots of other stuff in the yellow picture. Why? Because I can.
     

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  18. torchmann
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    I can't remember the correct term for it but steel has a yield strength and below that stress level there is zero damage to the grain.
    Aluminum doesn't have that quality, it fatigues throughout a wider field of stresses and gets weaker each time it is stressed. it's not that clear cut of a difference but it is that type of difference. Aluminum rods will weaken every oscillation until they fail, steel will not fail until a threshhold is reached then it will weaken.
    I think it is prolly the same physics after all but with aluminum having a lower and less certain point of yield and a wide band of yield more before it fails where steel has the higher threshold but a narrower band of yield between that threshold and fail.
    Like pulling at cold and warm taffy?
     
  19. TEDKRS
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    Well So I Guess Nobody Know Where I Can Get Some????????????????????????????????????????????????
     
  20. RichFox
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    Didn't I see somebody said in the Jegs or Summit book? Or be cool and make some. Then you can have billet and be proud
     
  21. gherkin350
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    I call em Welsh plugs....I don't know why...perhaps someone in Wales invented them?

    You yanks can't even spell aluminium so don't get to excited about billet:D
     
  22. gherkin350
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    Seriously this is quite topical for me I just put some new brass pugs in my SBC, so the idea of some casino chips or something actually sounds quite cool...:rolleyes: Open engine bay and all...
     
  23. madgrinder
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    You could put cupcakes in there... you might get hungry later:)
     
  24. Deuces
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    I'm not even gonna raise my blood pressure up over this one......
     
  25. Antny
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    I dunno about aluminum, but stainless steel grommet hole (or whatever they are called) plugs are available in all sorts of sizes at my local truck parts store. Maybe that'll work if you're looking for something little different.
     
  26. bob308
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    i wish people would learn what a billit is. it is nothing more then a solid pice of material. does not matter if it a plate or a bar you start with. the word billit does not add anything to the part except cost to the end user.
     
  27. RichFox
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    This is where we differ. If I want to make one or six of something, billet is the ecomical choice. I'm surely not going to have a mold made to cast a one off part. Nor dies to stamp them out. Now making billet things that are mass produced just to have a billet part might well score high on the dumb meter
     

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