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Technical Ford rearend 1957

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by BradinNC, May 5, 2016.

  1. BradinNC
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    I pulled this from a junked out 57 Victoria sitting on it's roof. (very sad)
    I assumed it was a 9 inch, a friend looked at it and said no. He says the rear doesn't look right, but he is into 60'sand 70's fords.
    Ratio is 3.22 on tag. Got the drums off, they were wicked tight. I assume all insides are trashed, it doesn't turn easy at all.
    So can anyone chime in and tell me if this is a 9 inch?
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  2. st.rod
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  3. Not a 9"..... The last year for a Ford Victoria was '56 and that's one year before the 9" was introduced, that's what it looks like you have.
     
  4. Friend was correct it had an 8.75 Ring gear if its stock. But you can massage the flange and stuff a 9 in there.
     
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  5. BradinNC
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    So what is this model rearend called? It has a nice balanced look to it.
     
  6. Malcolm
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    That's definitely not a 9".
     
  7. squirrel
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    It's called a 49 to 56 ford car rearend.
     
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  8. jimmy six
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    Looks like the same goofy yoke I have on my 56 and the same round rear cover. I do believe 57's may have used the word Victoria, Fairlane 500 was the top of the line. I think Fairlane 500 posts were called sport coupes, probably wrong, usually am.
     
  9. squirrel
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    yeah, they did use the Victoria name in 57 (click pic to zoom in)

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  10. mgtstumpy
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    Just a plain old Ford Customline rear end
     
  11. falcongeorge
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    Not that one you cant benno. Wrong rearend, 1 year too early.
     
  12. deathrowdave
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    Looks like Mopar 8 3/4 to me
     
  13. falcongeorge
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    ^^they look similar, but no relationship.
     
  14. dudley32
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    If this isn't true...then which rear end was it?...I remember a buddy of mine did it...maybe an 8"?
     
  15. squirrel
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    Some of the earlier Ford "nine inch" rearends had 8.75" ring gears. I think that's what they're talking about?
     
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  16. metal man
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    You guys have lost me now. 1957 was the first year of the nine inch rear, and any nine inch third member will fit right in there with no modifications.
     
  17. metal man
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    Later on, Ford made what I think is called a 9- 1/2" rear. I think they were used in trucks. The ring gear is larger in diameter than the 9", but everything else is the same. You just have to grind a bit of clearance for the ring gear and the whole assembly bolts right into a 9" housing.
     
  18. squirrel
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    sounds like the 9-3/8" used in Lincolns...

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  19. bostonhemi
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    How wide is it from drum face to drum face?
     
  20. BradinNC
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    Drums are now removed, see 1st post. I can measure backing plates tomorrow if you are interested.
    I doubt if I will be using it. Brad
     
  21. falcongeorge
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    Yes, the '57 thru i think '59?? Ford Rear ends (I can check my hollanders when I get home) had a 8 3/4 ring gear, and if you ground the 3rd member mounting flange for clearance, you can install a 9" third member. But this is the earlier rear, it wont accept the 9" 3rd member.
     
  22. squirrel
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    yup, the 49-56 rear has a round pumpkin, the 9" (and the 8" and the 8.75" and the 9.38") has an oval pumpkin.
     
  23. BradinNC
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    The car I spoke of in the 1st post was obviously a 56. I do remember it was pink and white, with the distinctive swooping trim on the doors.
     
  24. R Pope
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    A 9" rear requires a flat wrench to get the bottom bolt on the "pumpkin". A socket won't get in there.
     
  25. I cannot remember when the first actual 9" ring gear came into play but I do know that the rears from '57-'59 were all 8.75. Sometimes you find a smooth back that slip a 9" chuck into no problem but more often than not you need to relieve the flange a little bit to get the ring gear past it.

    When doing research on the subject I don't find any mention of a 9" Ford prior to '66 on any of the charts I have seen. I believe that the 9" ring actually came earlier than that. Maybe someone else knows.

    George when I said that it was an 8.75 and that a 9" chuck would fit I was not going by the pics I was going by the info that the OP gave, I know that it was a bad assumption but I made the assumption anyway that he knew that he pulled the rear from a '57 Ford, they really bear no resemblance to a '55/56 ford.
     
  26. squirrel
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    I have a smooth back 57 wagon rear in my chevy II, never had any problem putting any 9" gears in it... I've had everything from 2.47 to 4.11s in there. I never notched it, and it had the original gearset when I got it.

    I think we've pretty well established the the rear that this thread started about is a 49-56 rear, NOT a 9"
     
  27. Yes we have.
    I think that there are several determining factors as to how easily the 9" chuck will slid into the smooth back rears. If the rear has already been changed out, which dies were used when stamping the flange even which fixture was used when welding the rear up.

    I actually had one that the ring rubbed the back of the punkin when I stuffed it in there, not for very long. But initially when I installed it you could hear it touching part way around.

    When one needs relieving it is not like you have to take a big whack out of it, just a mild rubbing with a file will usually do the trick.
     
  28. BradinNC
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    Can I assume an 8 inch ford unit will pop in this housing without alot of trouble?
     
  29. Nope. You got an Albatross. I scattered the one in my '55 with a 312 and replaced it with a '57 rear way back when.
     
  30. Malcolm
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    Assume that nothing made after 1956 will work in this axle housing. I'm sure something could be adapted, but you're better off just using all 9" parts and housing.
     

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