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  1. 61dailyf100
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    So I have searched and searched and I can't seem to find out which dip stick to get for this crate engine I bought. The block is a 71 302, the motor was purchased from an estate sale and I have no paperwork for it. I know most 302s have the dip stick inserted by the timing cover but this one has a metal plug on it and it has a spot on the left side of the pan that appears to be the correct spot. Most pans I've seen have it on the right side,(that's if you look at it from the front of the engine). Has anyone seen this before ? Here are pictures of the pan ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1392248138.282227.jpg ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1392248185.727858.jpg ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1392248221.212440.jpg ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1392248251.581123.jpg ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1392248276.470705.jpg ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1392248321.711410.jpg


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  2. junkyardjeff
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    That might be a early bronco pan and can not tell you anything about the timing chain cover.
     
  3. tommyd
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    I've seen a lot of sbf timing covers but never one like that. Could it be a boat engine?
     
  4. Same oil pan on my 1973 Econoline 302. Early bronco is the same too.
     

  5. Mudslinger
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    Ones I have seen had the dipstick hole on the drivers side. Is there no hole for the mechanical fuel pump? I had a Grand-marquis that had it on the drivers side and had a drain plug in the front of the pan along with a rear drain plug.
    Never seen a timing cover like that.
     
  6. His dipstick is on the right side of the pan like the early bronco/econoline pans.
     
  7. junkyardjeff
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    With that timing chain cover I wonder if it was for a industrial application and it has the 69 and older water pump where the inlet is on the pass side.
     
  8. brad chevy
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    What numbers are on the block on the rail just behind the starter ? I to have never seen a front cover like that.
     
  9. 61dailyf100
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    I agree with the fact that it might have been a marine engine. The spark plugs it has say marine on them and the dip stick hole is on the passenger side not the driver side. Block casting number is d1oe 6016 aa then under that it says oL2 idk if that helps. The only thing I saw on the motor was that dso sticker on it but the holley carb it has comes back as marine also. The motor is really nice I posted a pic of the inside of a cylinder it's brand new. If this is a marine engine would it be a bad thing? I talked to a guy that builds both marine and standard 302s and he told me the marine engines can actually hold high rpms for long periods of time. Any experience with marine engines ? If anyone needs pics of anything let me know I can post em. Thanks everyone. ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1392264845.539339.jpg ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1392265085.355810.jpg ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1392265118.688587.jpg ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1392265156.299260.jpg ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1392265190.133420.jpg ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1392265232.425553.jpg


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  10. 61dailyf100
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    Inside the cylinder ...... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1392265659.884716.jpg everything I have put on the motor has fit really well except the dip stick. Bottom pulley is a 3 bolt pattern I just put one bolt to mock it up.


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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1392266130.916755.jpg


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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1392266204.076793.jpg sorry for the double post


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  13. junkyardjeff
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    I like those marine valve covers with nothing stamped on them or no bracket for the plug wire holder so more room for stickers,I found a set and put them on the 351 in my 55 sunliner with late 50s stickers.
     

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  14. 54nomore
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    Now you need to find out if it's standard or reverse rotation.
     
  15. 61dailyf100
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    I checked that already , it's standard I checked it by pulling out the distributor. The gear was standard on it .


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  16. 61dailyf100
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    Yeah I thought they were pretty cool too! Yours look good black I might do the same. The heads on the block are 351 by the way. I will try and find pics of the heads they are really nice.


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  17. Definitely marine with the 4B carb on it... The timing cover I've seen on both marine and industrial versions, but the industrials never come with a 4B carb. Same with the 3 bolt dampers; Ford continued using those on the marine motors until the end of production, they even made a 50oz balance version for the later motors.

    The marine motors are usually stouter, and many of the 302s used the 'good' 351 heads with screw-in rocker studs and special head bolts to mate them to the 302 block. If you find 351 heads on it, it's a marine version.
     
  18. stimpy
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    Marine engine for sure , I had the 351 version of that motor in my 77 Slickcraft , those are OMC mounts , they used a power jack screw to trim the whole outdrive ( one peice , not 2 piece like Mercury ) the jack screws mounted to the outside of the adapter .
    the motor was 300 hp or so IIRC but it had a real tight rpm range its meant to run like a stock car , at one rpm for long times . when your off the rpm band its little sluggish , and when you get to the top about 4500 rpm it falls flat on its face fast . was a good engine to move a 6000 pound hole in the water .
     
  19. stimpy
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    oh the reason why the dipstick is where its at was it was a little bigger tube than normal , and if yo pull the pan off its deep into the pan because instead of dropping the oil in to a pan underneith the engine ( which was almost impossible to get at because the way its placed in the bilge ) , they put a tube in there and sucked it out .with a pump .if it was in the front like a normal motor you would get about 1/2 of it out . and if I recall its a bronco or 4x truck pan
     
  20. 54nomore
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    Are you sure that that's the way to tell?
    I only ask because the few reverse rotation motors I've seen/rebuilt had gear driven cams so while the crank turned opposite, the cam and distributor turned in the normal (clockwise) direction.

    Yours certainly could be a standard rotation engine, but maybe you could look down the distributor hole while turning the crank to make sure crank and cam are turning the same way. You wouldn't want to find out after it was in the car;)
     
  21. 61dailyf100
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    I checked the rotation as we'll by doing what you said and rotation is good . Thank god ! I couldn't sleep wondering if it was wrong but based on what I'm seeing as far as posts on here it looks like it's gonna move my truck pretty well.


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  22. 61dailyf100
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    Any ideas on what kind of hp this is gonna put out ? All I know is that it has a 4 b carb and it's a 600cfm carb. It has 351 heads on it and what appears to be a boss 302 intake. I don't know how much these marine 302s normally put out.


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  23. They're usually rated at 300 hp with the 4V. You should ditch that marine distributor and use an automotive unit with vacuum advance to get some fuel economy, otherwise expect single digit mileage. And if you're going to run a Ford mechanical fuel pump, make sure the camshaft eccentric is there. Also think about swapping to a car timing cover, as it will be considerably lighter than the cast-iron marine one.

    Besides the heads, the marine motors had a heavy-duty double roller timing set, corrosion resistant head gaskets, and brass freeze plugs. If it's reverse rotation, it got a different cam and distributor gear. The rest of the internal parts were standard Ford bits.
     
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  24. 54nomore
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    That's good to hear. Hell, even I feel better now:D:D.

    Also, Crazy Steve's advice sounds good.
     
  25. 61dailyf100
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    Thanks for all the helpful info everyone I really appreciate it. I'm running an external electric pump on the motor. The pump puts out 97gph would it be enough to run the motor with it ? Any good vacuum advance distributors that are on a price range for a budget guy lol !?


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  26. 61dailyf100
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    Right now it has a mallory yl512cv distributor. I definitely need the mpg's! I'm running an aod trans with it so using vacuum advance and the overdrive should help me big time.


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  27. The electric pump is plenty big enough, but make sure you regulate it down to about 4-4.5 PSI pressure or you'll overwhelm the float valves on that Holley.

    As far as a distributor, just about any 289-302 distributor will work as long as it doesn't have a dual-diaphragm vacuum advance. For a cheap and easy conversion to electronic ignition I've used a late 70s OEM Duraspark unit with a MSD 6A which is easier to wire in compared to the Ford box. You can get these distributors rebuilt for about $75 at most parts stores. I like these rather than a points-type converted with a Pertronics as they don't wear the bushings as badly so will usually have more accurate spark.
     

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