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Flathead stash...need some verification on ID work

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by kasultana, Aug 3, 2013.

  1. kasultana
    Joined: Oct 27, 2012
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    All,

    I was able to get my hands on several motors in the last few days. I've been after them for a very long time and it just worked out. One motor and the block are still in original shipping crates. We got them back to the shop and I've gotten a chance to get some good pictures and pull a head/intake off one of them. These are military surplus motors that were shipped to NY at some point we stored for many many years and then saw the light of day this week. I've got 3 24 stud double pulley motors, 1 NOS block 59 type block, and 1 later 21 stud motor. Still have 1 more 24 stud 59A coming but not here yet. My plan is to keep the block and 1 24 stud motor for myself and sell the rest to fund the build. Here's a few pictures, but, what I believe I have are '41-42 blocks, these were double pulley, factory relieved, have raised intakes, rebuilt with new valvetrain and stored, they have what I think is full flow oil systems on them and split exhausts. The block I think is a '41 block based on casting number. Can you help verify. Know there are several folks on the HAMB that know all there is flathead wise.
     

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  2. 69f100
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    im no help at all but damn thats cool
     
  3. no.scar.no.story
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    I think that's a cool stash, and I'm no flathead man! Congrats and enjoy!
     
  4. JohnEvans
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    Don't see anything that makes me think fullflow oiling. Need a good picture of the left rear of the block. If the connections by where the OP sender goes are 1/8 pipe no FF,1/8th pipe hole is about 5/16+. FF would be alot bigger.
     

  5. kasultana
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    I'll take a couple photos and post tomorrow. The pipe there is much larger and goes into a different type of OP sender than I've seen on my other 59 style motors. Thanks for the help.
     
  6. 40FordGuy
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    The crankcase vent tube in the pass side front is something different, for 59A engines.... I've only seen those in 8BA engines before.

    Great score, for sure !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    4TTRUK
     
  7. R Pope
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    Put them on the "Maple Leaf Up" forum. They are the type of flattie used in CMP Army trucks and Bren gun carriers. Those guys are always looking for good engines.
     
  8. kasultana
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    Thanks will check that out
     
  9. kasultana
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    Got the last motor out of the shipping crate (we saved the crates). Its similar with cosomline still on it. Believe them all to be '41 blocks.

    Here's a few pictures of the back of the motor near the OP sender. Not sure if this designates a full flow set up but its different than what I've seen on other blocks.

    Also have a question seems to be a port in the front of the intake and on on the block. Could this have been a PCV set up or what was that for? Thanks.
     

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  10. JohnEvans
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    Well it does look to have larger ports for the oiling conections ,so very well be fullflow. Never personaly laid eyes one so take that for what it's worth.PCV ? possiable as that system was around in that era on some comerical type engines,with the miltary ANYthing is possabile. Nice score!!
     
  11. kasultana
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    Thanks for the help. I think part of the cool part is the stenciling on one of the motors that show pressure testing, inspection dates/names. Cool to see the history. Since I started building flatheads have lost a couple to cracks in pan rail etc. but these are rebuilt and ready to go. Will get one cleaned, tested, rebuilt as is and fire one up soon.
     
  12. V8RPU
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    Many years ago my dad and I bought engines like you have. One was a 37 style 21-stud and one was like the 59 style you have. We bought them from Bill Norton at Valley Obsolete in LA area. The wooden cases were made out of some sort of hardwood and as I remember were a bitch to uncrate. The story we got from Bill (who was one of God's all time B.S.ers) was that the engines were from Burma and were surplus from WWII or just after. The heads have cool provisions for prying them off. Some of the odd fittings etc. were said to be to hook up a governor. The 59 style was put into my dad's 40 convertible and has been used ever since. It runs strong, smooth, and cool. Not bad for what was supposed to be surplus tank or landing craft engines.
     
  13. zgears
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    I'm interested and local when you want to unload one.
     
  14. dtracy
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    Did that bullet hit anything vital or just make a hole in the pan?

    Dave.
     
  15. woodbutcher
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    :eek:Damn.Some folks just have all the luck.
    Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
    Leo
     
  16. kasultana
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    On the hole up front. The picture is lousy but its threaded so not sure yet what it's for yet.

    Thanks
     
  17. ESGEE
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    Fresh score, im no help just think its cool...
     
  18. kasultana
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    Thanks agree don't see this everyday
     
  19. zgears
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    I'm I wrong for thinking $600 for a used core is outrageous?
     
  20. Ebbsspeed
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    You'll need to explain. Some of what's been shown are not used cores, but rebuilt, cosmoline coated military surplus. To me, that's not a used core, and would be priced well beyond $600.
     
  21. modelacrazy
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    I believe the threaded hole is there so you can drain the water out of the block. My '41 engine is set up that way, one behind each water pump.
     
  22. zgears
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    He wants $2400 for the NOS ones, about the same as a retail french flathead. He wants 600 for a used core that in all likelihood is cracked, as they all are. I don't mind bringing this up because this is a covert for sale post. That and I hate to say, i've been scammed on a number of flatheads that were "rebuilt" or "runners". no one should ever pay more than $150 for a used flathead block, they were made by the millions . Any rebuilt flathead should come with full documentation, or consider it a core.
     
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  23. Bearing Burner
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    As t usually takes the purchase of 3-4 blocks before you find a good one then$600 for one that is known to be good. If these are 1941 engines then they are probably 216 cubic inch not 239 cubic in.
     
  24. seb fontana
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  25. kasultana
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    zgears - I'm on my 9th flathead now. losing a couple to cracks. Since you are local come to the shop and check them out. These aren't cores but complete motors. The 21 stud is $600 (I put $700 on my for sale add by mistake). The others $2400 or $1800 for the motor for the cracked intake/pulley/motor mount. I've pulled the heads/intakes on 3 of the engines. These motors are basically new (even the head gaskets are new). A new french block is over the $2600 and you have to build it up costing $5000-7000 depending on the speed parts. Its a fair place to start a discussion. Nothing stealth/covert going on here. I own a rod shop and stand by the parts. I've answered your PM's prior to posting the for sale since I've been out of town last week. If you are interested great if not thats fine as well.
     

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