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Technical ***February 2021 Banger Meet Thread - 6 More Weeks Shop Time!***

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Jiminy, Feb 2, 2021.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
    Posts: 377

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    Link to previous month: https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...anger-meet-thread-good-riddance-2020.1216273/

    Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
    El Mirage May 1-2, 2021
    Santa Margarita Time Trials are scheduled for 26 June 2021! No details yet. Save the date and keep your fingers crossed!

    International Speedsters Trials & Reunion June 23rd-26th 2021 Lincoln, NE
    Bonneville Speedweek August 7th - 13th, 2021

    Stay safe.


    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $34.00 all color except for the oldest pictures (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
    Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
    email: jimb4e4@gmail.com
    phone: 951-695-7313.


    Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498


    Banger basics. another info link list:
    http://www.fordgarage.com/


    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/may-bang-er-thread.470853/page-4#post-5212157
    and this link shows the missing image from the above post
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-work-on-bangers.1010716/page-3#post-11427055


    The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/the-4-banger-hot-rod-picture-thread.997051/


    Model B rod bearing insert numbers
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484


    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
    http://web.archive.org/web/20120415...e.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html


    Adjusting dual Strombergs:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461


    Helpful Model A tools and tips:
    http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html


    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109


    Elrod's stuck head tech:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487


    Model A generator to alternator conversion:
    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html


    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:
    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173


    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"
    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465


    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10


    T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226


    New Banger Block in the Works
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/new-banger-block-in-the-works.616056/


    Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
    http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/headcompressionratio.htm
     
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  2. Checking in, got my steering column rebuilt. Should be getting a full sub frame from a friend in Oregon pretty soon. Recently hit a honey hole and got a bunch of 16" tires for free! Awaiting my next paycheck so I can get everything to get my 5 cam bearing banger all buttoned up.

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  3. Binger
    Joined: Apr 28, 2008
    Posts: 1,718

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    from wyoming

    Checking in from Cheyoming. Not much going on here. Working on non banger cars. I have my 50 Chevy apart and working hard on a client's 48 Pontiac interior for my wife's upholstery shop.
     
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  4. noboD
    Joined: Jan 29, 2004
    Posts: 7,523

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    Blowing snow in PA. It sucks!!
     

  5. johnneilson
    Joined: Apr 12, 2011
    Posts: 1,245

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    Feb, already, I guess I should come out of the shop more often........
     
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  6. denis4x4
    Joined: Apr 23, 2005
    Posts: 3,677

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    from Colorado

    checking in..just found out that I need a shoulder replacement in three weeks.....3 months of rehab
     
  7. J.Ukrop
    Joined: Nov 10, 2008
    Posts: 1,590

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    @denis4x4, sorry to hear about the surgery. You'll be ready to rock by the time the weather starts warming up!
     
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  8. J.Ukrop
    Joined: Nov 10, 2008
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    Checking in from San Francisco with a 'banger question for everyone. Last night's programming included the much-anticipated speed equipment installation on my roadster's engine. Everything seems to fit pretty well, but I realized that the exhaust studs are too short to work with the header. Does anyone have a good source for longer studs? As you can see, they fit the nuts but not the thick washers, which obviously won't fly. Any input would be greatly appreciated!
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    One more just 'cuz I'm excited to finally be hopping this thing up!
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    (Our garage ceiling leaks when it rains, hence all the water on the floor.)
     
  9. hardtimesainit
    Joined: Jan 24, 2009
    Posts: 454

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    Hey J,
    There is a well known long time hobbyist who specializes in selling bolts/ fasteners of any sort that used in our hobby. With my memory leaving me, I cant yhink of his name right now. Maybe this will trigger someone else in chime in with name ?
    Anyway, I have a bos with a lot of V8- 60 head studs. They are shorter than the studs for large flathead studs. Ive used them for this banger intake/exhaust purpose !
    If you cant locate any, let me know. You also know that you need the CUPPED THICK special washers also, eh ? Might have those around also.
     
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  10. Binger
    Joined: Apr 28, 2008
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    from wyoming

    I got longer studs from Burt's in Denver. They had them in stock.

    https://modelastore.com/


    Doug I hate to ask for it but send that snow to Wyoming. it is so dry here. We are going to burn all summer like last.
     
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  11. hardtimesainit
    Joined: Jan 24, 2009
    Posts: 454

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    Dont be so FAST to let them take what God gave !
    A little over year ago, I tore my rotator cuff muscle... completely. Also snapped my biceps tendon same time.
    First doctor did a terrible attempted repair... failed !
    Second and third “specialists” declared... we’ll schedule you for replace surgery tomo morning. These two sent me next door to their ‘associate’ who only does shoulder surgery !
    Well, located a young surgen in B Hills.
    He actually listened, view mri and spent time explaining that although he is the best... at this type surgery, that he recommends a different path. If that ddidnt work, tha he would still do the replacement !
    Then he proceeded to instruct me to WORK at strengthening the OTHER groups of muscles... that surround the shoulder !
    That was year or more ago. I did as he instructed.
    Now, I couldnt do anything much with shoulder... for awhile/ months. Now I can do more than ever and getting stronger as I go.
    Sure can’t pick and carry B block anymore... but can do work ! I am a happy guy that this doctor cared enough to guide me to success.
    Pain eventually... mostly subsided... but at 77
    I’m happy with what I have now. And it will improve.. if I do what’s necessary. Dont get nothing for nothing in this life, my opinion.
    I belong to Simi A club. A member maybe 5 yrs my elder, had sam surgury about same time. We talk often enough, for me to be thankful I didn’t go for replacement right then also.
    You have choices. Choices are good to have.
    I just wish that Id made the choice, at my age, to not carry the two caskets... when in-laws passed , both in very short time ! I found that people make some choices with strong emotions at hand. Maybe wrong and maybe , in my shoulder case... right !
    Best of luck to you ..
     
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  12. You may be thinking of Roy Nacewicz (Fordbolts.com)
    Unfortunately he passed away, but fortunately Michael Driskell, ThirdGen Automotive picked up the torch and is carrying the lineup. (www.thirdgenauto.com)
    Also @J Ukrop, have you checked Dorman Products? They have a very broad line of double ended studs in all sizes.
     
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  13. noboD
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  14. burl
    Joined: Nov 28, 2007
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    from Minnesota

    Picked up some longer ones from Brattons i think they were actually head studs i really like that header wish i could measure up need to make one for my db roadster
     
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  15. 5280A2
    Joined: Sep 8, 2014
    Posts: 125

    5280A2

    I found longer studs locally at my O'reilly's Auto Parts. Search Dorman 7/16 studs. There are quite a few variations so you might need a little time to find what works for you. Note that some have coarse thread on both ends; you want coarse one end and fine on the other.[/QUOTE]
     
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  16. Phil Damon
    Joined: May 8, 2020
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    from San Diego

    Red's Headers has the longer manifold stud kits also.
     
  17. Savage Coupe
    Joined: Jun 20, 2020
    Posts: 22

    Savage Coupe
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    from Washington

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    Picked up a Roof 101 head today off Craigslist. Came with a B block and some other parts. I don’t see a diamond on the block, there’s also no serial number. I believe I read that the replacement blocks didn’t have serial numbers? Also it has a flat spot cast into the left side of the block with threaded through holes. Any ideas?

    Thanks,
    Hance.
     
  18. J.Ukrop
    Joined: Nov 10, 2008
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    Thanks everyone for the stud advice. I'm going to do some more research, but great to know that there are viable options out there!
     
  19. brokenspoke
    Joined: Jul 26, 2005
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    NAPA auto parts carries them, along with brass nuts
     
  20. Steves46
    Joined: Sep 23, 2008
    Posts: 434

    Steves46
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    from Florida

    9F7FF373-89DB-4F9A-ABA4-2D6C0E271214.jpeg Yanked the tired muffler, connected a Y-Pipe, and running with duals. Great sound.
     
  21. Are there any grind marks where the serial would be? I know sometimes people grind them off.
    Also, it could be an industrial combine engine originally
     
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  22. A Roof head on C/L? How lucky is that! Over here we only have late model junk.
     
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  23. A guy could wear this thing out taking it apart, inspecting it and putting it back together! We've got a bunch of events scheduled for 2021. But whether they come about is still "Up in the Air"!
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  24. Got some good rain last week, hopefully nothing got too wet! My Aunt in Cambria got landlocked!!
     
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  25. Savage Coupe
    Joined: Jun 20, 2020
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    No grind marks where the serial numbers would be.
     
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  26. After doing some digging, I found this:

    "A limited number of Model B engines were also built and assembled in East Windsor (Ford City), Ontario. Canadian-produced 1932-34 four cylinder 'engine' serial numbers were actually stamped on the top of the Model B or Model 46 flywheel housing above the starter, and the engine block pad was left unnumbered, similar to US Model B production. The prefix is preceded by a ☆, and the serial number is followed by a closing ☆ character, and reads from the rear of the engine."
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  27. hardtimesainit
    Joined: Jan 24, 2009
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    THANKS ...for your backup !
    ROY IS/ was the man. I’m saddened to learn that he is no longer with us ...RIP ROY !!
    Also, thanks for update regarding who picked up the work to keep it going !
    Good update for all members here.
     
  28. hardtimesainit
    Joined: Jan 24, 2009
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    Thanks, I think that once separated from housing...we’re back to sq 1.
    Q: Aftermarket Bs ...were with a DIAMOND..no ?
    I just got a B w/diamond, but with A bell. Only marking on blk , is several number s on rear side blk. What if anything do those tell you ?
     

  29. Many diamond block castings were service blocks only, not complete tested engine assemblies, and thus they did not receive an engine serial number from Ford. In those cases, the as-cast pad was left blank as shown in the photo above.

    Look on the passenger side, it should have a casting date on it with a letter and numbers. For example, something like D305. What is yours?
     
  30. hardtimesainit
    Joined: Jan 24, 2009
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    Any chance you can point up Roof ad ?
    Not computer literate (age) !
    DISREGARD....I see that head has been acquired... by member here !
    Congrats.
     
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