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****Feb 2012 Banger Meet.....Cupid is up for some Bang'n*****

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Crazydaddyo, Feb 1, 2012.

  1. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
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    It's February already!!!!!?????

    Here is the banger link list .


    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Flat Ernie maintains the monthly link list. Every month is listed:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498



    Banger basics. another info link list:

    http://www.fordgarage.com/

    http://www.billsbangers.com

    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    Post #105 of link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=6

    Model B rod bearing insert numbers
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484


    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
    http://www.centuryperformance.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html

    Adjusting dual Strombergs:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461

    Helpful Model A tools and tips:

    http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html

    Elrod's stuck head tech:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487

    Model A generator to alternator conversion:

    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html

    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:

    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculatorfin.jsp


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173

    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"

    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/22469332/The-High-Speed-Internal-Combustion-Engine-Ricardo-1931

    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10

    Maybe these links should be posted early in each months meeting.

    If anyone knows of more, please post them.
     
  2. Stovebolt
    Joined: May 2, 2001
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    Thanks Dan.

    I didn't want to do it again, as I stuffed up the links last time.

    No news to report here :( I will pick up my rolling chassis in the next couple of weeks.
     
  3. BCCHOPIT
    Joined: Aug 10, 2008
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    It cant be February....
    another nice day so the model A gets to go to work.
    I drove it 3 time last week
     
  4. Rockers for the Chevy 4 are in progress, now it's time to start thinking about the crankshaft!

    I'd love to get your thoughts on this- would you:

    • a) have the stock crank counterbalanced (three diff sized mains)
    • b) have an A crank counterbalanced (better metal and better mains, but would have to reposition the front main bolt holes like BHT8BALL did)
    or
    • c) look for a B crank?
    There's a good guy down here who can do the counterbalancing for either crank.
     
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  5. ebtm3
    Joined: May 23, 2007
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    I have been driving bangers for nearly 60 years. During that time I have tried all manner of adjustments of caster and toein, and while I end up with a car that doesn't wear front tires or pull to one side, never have achieved the "road sense" that modern vehicles seem to have. The bangers have all ended up with steering with minimal play (sometimes with great effort to eliminate the last bit) and have had semi- reversible steering boxes (Ford) and also ones that are almost non reversable (Chev 4) It isn't the lack of IFS--I have driven expensive old cars, and beam axle pickups that didn't constantly require small steering corrections. I have tried more caster--from a little to ridiculous- and I was rewarded with shimmy. Wheels balanced--so it's not that. Any suggestions from those of you who have put some miles behind the wheel of similar cars?
     
  6. modelAsteve
    Joined: Jan 9, 2009
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    ebtm3: I to have "gone down a similiar road" I have 2 comments. I think a lot of it is in the flexing on the old frames- a fully boxed Model A frame that has minimum flex seems a little better. Also, radial tires seem to fix (or mask) a lot ills. I am now at the point that I am just glad they start and get driven!
     
  7. noboD
    Joined: Jan 29, 2004
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    Phil saw his shadow, so it's 6 more weeks of winter.
     
  8. Bluto
    Joined: Feb 15, 2005
    Posts: 5,114

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    I been buying antique Valentines for my Mrs. :)
     
  9. bykerlad
    Joined: Mar 14, 2009
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    from australia

    banger drivers go strait to heaven.....................................
     
  10. I built a '27 T coupe a few years back that had a shimmy, every once in awhile, at highway speeds. I had the best of everything I could think of to make the little car better but I couldn't. I sold the car and told the buyer about it but it did not discourage him. The car was transported to his home , many miles away, and after a very short time he got back to me with the good news that his tire shop had solved the problem. They checked the tires and found that they were out of round so they shaved them and poof , solved the problem. He told me that after that he could blast down the freeway with one finger on the steering wheel. We don't have that kind of tire shop it Thunder Bay :(
    Ron
     

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  11. When you leave a Banger in your A... an Angel gets its wings!

    Sam
     
  12. Bugsy
    Joined: Dec 27, 2008
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    from Kansas

    I have a carburation question for the Banger Guru's......

    I've had a couple of stock Model A's over the years and I'm currently putting together a T roadster on basically a stock, A chassis. For now, I'm going to put a 6:1 head on it, Mallory distributor and a lightened flywheel. I have a very nice, dual, down-draft intake and header that I want to run. I want to run 94's on it but I know that two of them is way, too much for this motor. If I block off one of the carb bases on the intake and just run one carb, will the fuel/air mix be even for all cylinders? Meaning, if I run the carb on the back base and block the front, will the front cylinders get a different mixture than the ones closer to the carb or should it run OK like this?

    Sorry if it's a stupid question as I know that people run dummy carbs and block-off plates on multi-carb intakes all the time but I'm just not 100% sure about doing it on this setup.

    Thanks in advance!!
     
  13. RussTee
    Joined: Mar 25, 2008
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    depending on the intake it is not a good idea you usually end up being lean on two cylinders.
     
  14. Benchdawg
    Joined: Oct 24, 2010
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    Charlie Yapp at Scalded Dog sells a dual downdraft that has a plenum/baffle that mixes and balances the air fuel mixture. You can run one or both carbs or use the 94s with progressive linkage. Charlie has a great site with cool and unusual parts. Very knowledgable and friendly. Check out his Lion head. Mark
     
  15. ebtm3
    Joined: May 23, 2007
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    Ron, thanks for the tip. I have never checked this on my current car, certainly an easy thing to do. Do you remember if he said how much the tires were out of round?

    Herb
     
  16. RichFox
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    I wounder if you could block off one barrel of each carburetor. Plug the jet and the other gas feeds and a plug in the throttle bore.Could be done I guess.
     
  17. Bluto
    Joined: Feb 15, 2005
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    Racing the original Minis Weber carbs were cut in half to fit together easier.

    One cut the other, as you suggest, used a small fishing weight to plug the fuel feed.
     
  18. I bought a dual manifold and discovered that it had been modified in this fashion. One bore on each carb had the butterfly removed and a freeze plug pressed into the bore. I bought the intake and a Mallory dual point distributor from the guy. He had had them installed on an otherwise stock engine and said he was frustrated with the way it ran. He was walking up and down the aisles of a local swap meet trying to sell them. No one wanted them so I got them cheap. I had no use for them but both items, manifold and distributor, were like new.
     
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2012
  19. Hi Herb; He never did tell me but from what I can remember it couldn't have been very much as I never felt any vibration at 30 mph . The car sat on the Michelen (?) radial tires while I was building it, which took way more time than I care to remember. I guess any tire will flat spot, if it is supporting a load, no matter how light that might be, for a long time.
    Ron
     
  20. Bluto
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    Most tires are produced out of round some.

    Bias ply tire get a pretty good thump if stored with car weight on them
     
  21. I tried every trick known to man (as far as I know :confused: ) to get rid of the shimmy but as I mentioned before , there were no tire shavers in town so I never even thought of that trick. I even made a toe in gauge (which I still use) and all I seemed to be doing with the little car was fuss with it to make it as perfect as I could get it. Looking back on it now I guess I should have gone to the trouble of getting another set of solid rims and new tires and tried that. There are a bunch of pictures in my album, if you would care to see more. If I could have got rid of the shimmy, I'm sure I would still have the T coupe that took me sixteen years to build .
    Ron
    p.s. On the other hand if I still had it I wouldn't have built the banger powered roadster that I have now and ......I wouldn't have met you :D
    Ron
     
  22. Bugsy
    Joined: Dec 27, 2008
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    from Kansas

    Thank you guys on the single carb, dual carb intake question. Like RussTee said, I was afraid of running lean on a couple cylinders. I think I should just use a single, down-draft intake and call it good for now. I'm not so in love with the intake/header set up that I'm willing to do a ton of carb mods just to make it work right. I have a nice, Ansen single carb intake that I'll probably just go with that and come up with another header. Thank you again!!
     
  23. patina steve
    Joined: Oct 3, 2006
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    Banger compression vs. engine flow
    I have been searching for a post on the HAMB about compression ratio and cylinder flow, and Henry Ricardo , can any of you guys help me find this thread I have been searching but I can find the discussion.
    I believe some one on the Banger thread talked about raising the compression ratio drastically limits the engine flow.
    Very interested in anybody's thoughst on the subject.
    Thanks Steve
     
  24. ebtm3
    Joined: May 23, 2007
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    Pressurized inserted OHV B with '30 Ford 2 dr attached in classifieds


    Herb
     
  25. I've scoured back a few months but thought I'd ask again here - any piston recommendations beyond stock? I've stripped the clotted cream B engine I posted last month and the white metal is all good but the bores are quite pitted. Thought I'd drop it off for machining to see what it will take to clean out the bores. Luckily it's standard at the moment.
     
  26. BCCHOPIT
    Joined: Aug 10, 2008
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    I like my Ross pistons I had made for my B
     
  27. Jonny69
    Joined: Jul 24, 2007
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    from England

    Thought I'd drop in and show my face. Hello again folks!

    Seeing the links in the first post, I really ought to get around to rehosting the photos for my 1172 build.
     
  28. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
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    Steve:
    Read the discussion that starts at post 198 on the following link:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10


    Here is a link to Ricardo's book:

    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05


    .
     
  29. Pete's Pistons
     
  30. BCCHOPIT
    Joined: Aug 10, 2008
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    Any one have a web site for Petes
     

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