No, meant it pretty much the way I wrote it, thought about it carefully, looked it over, edited here and there, made sure it was pretty clear before I posted it. I don't really see any rancor in what I said, and I don't really feel any about the subject anymore, did when I was younger, but I am long since past it. But I guess it helps "blunt the edge" of whats being said to read anger in where there isn't any. I feel I have actually summed up the "survivor" issue pretty accurately. And no, its not "all bad" I don't really see that my observations characterize it that way. Your mileage may vary... EDIT: Maybe look at post #28 as well, it elaborates a bit on the theme of my first post.