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ERCO Airplane Flathead Hotrod

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by h0twired, Aug 27, 2007.

  1. h0twired
    Joined: Aug 28, 2006
    Posts: 133

    from Winnipeg

    My brother in law found this in North Dakota a couple of weeks ago.

    Anyone know anything about it? (Sorry for the big images - I will resize them when I get home)

  2. Looks as if someone was playing around with a plane fusalage on a car frame. Maybe for some sort of lake streamliner? Maybe.
  3. Hard to see, pics are huge!
  4. coupster
    Joined: May 9, 2006
    Posts: 860

    from Oscoda Mi

    It is whats left of an Ercoupe. Looks like a 415C from the shape of the rear window. Not flathead powered, common engines used were A-65 A-75 or aC-85 all manufactured by Continental. I have flown a bunch of them and found them to be fun little airplanes dispite not having rudder pedals. Fred Wieck designed he later designed the Piper PA-28. It will not aerodynamicly stall when rigged right.

  5. h0twired
    Joined: Aug 28, 2006
    Posts: 133

    from Winnipeg

    Images resized.

    I realize that the airplanes weren't flathead powered. However if you look closely someone appears to have tried to make a hotrod or a racer out of the fuselage of an old ERCO.

    Just wondering if anyone recognizes it or knows anything about it.

    I found it just outside of Grand Forks ND.
  6. Nads
    Joined: Mar 5, 2001
    Posts: 11,630

    from Hypocrisy

    That is cool.

    there's a guy in Orlando that's made a car/van thing out of
    an airplane fuselage but it doesn't look like it'll ever be finished.
  7. yes , that is the remains of an would be interesting to finish , it would be a real head turner

    i have 139 hours logged in an Alon Aircoupe.....the successor to the Ercoupe with rudder pedals
  8. Floorboardinit
    Joined: Dec 2, 2004
    Posts: 771


    Whoa! I remember one of my older relatives talkin' to me about something like this. When he was a boy he could remember some of the older kids in the neigborhood grafting the back of an airplane to a model A roadster and razing hell all over town in it. Pretty Insane-o. Johnny

    Edit: Holy Crap I just remembered that the family is from N Or S Dakota. Hmm wonder if they are one in the same.
  9. To paraphrase someone else speaking about the F-111, there is not enough thrust in all of Christendom to make a racer out of an Ercoupe.
  10. That line regarding the F-111's unsuitability for being a fighter aircraft, and especially a Naval fighter aircraft was uttered by Vice Admiral Tom Connolly, Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Air Warfare in 1968 before a US Senate subcommittee. His quote regarding the F-111B was, "There is not enough thrust in all of Christendom to make a carrier fighter out of this aircraft.”

    He had the cover of Admiral Tom Moorer. This was a good thing, because earlier the secretary of the Navy said the F-111B was suitable as a fighter.

    This set the stage for the F-14 Tomcat to win approval as the Navy's premier carrier-based fighter.
  11. Sorry for the digression. Using an Ercoupe airframe for a car body would have been, and still is, a silly waste.
  12. HellRaiser
    Joined: Jun 14, 2006
    Posts: 1,240

    from Podunk, NE

    AH, but remember it was the P-38 off WWII that inspired the tail fins of many of the early 50's cars.

    Grafting an airplane part to make a car out of it? What about the drop tanks that are turned into Bonny cars???
  13. Flat Ernie
    Joined: Jun 5, 2002
    Posts: 8,410

    Flat Ernie
    Tech Editor

    But when the F111 got going, it was mighty fast! Be nice to outrun most of your garden variety surface to air missiles!!
  14. Hi, Hellraiser,

    Airplanes sure have inspired car design, and airplane parts have been artfully used in cars - tanks as car bodies most notably and successfully.

    I'm just saying that using an Ercoupe fuselage as car body wouldn't work aesthetically for me. I can't imagine how it could be done without looking a lot less graceful and of a piece that the aircft alone is. That was the 'silly' part. As for that 'waste' part, I also feel that the best purpose for an Ercoupe fuselage is getting it back in the air. Now Ercoupes aren't all that rare or valuable, so it's not the same as if someone wanted to make a roadster out of a P-51 or a motorhome out of a B-29.

    A belly tank used as a car body most likely won't ever be converted back to being used as a belly tank. Not sure if any warbird owners are out there searching for belly tanks and can't find them, because of all the hot rodders hoarding them. I love belly tank racers - it's an excellent reuse.
    Heck, if someone wants to try to make a car out of an Ercoupe, I'll be interested to see the results. :)
  15. draggin ass
    Joined: Jun 17, 2005
    Posts: 1,920

    draggin ass
    from hell

    i dont know but i like it!
  16. texastramp
    Joined: Jan 11, 2002
    Posts: 81


    Hey does any one have a picture a an Ercoupe as an airplane all in one piece as it originally looked?
  17. 8flat
    Joined: Apr 2, 2006
    Posts: 1,373


    On the contraire....they did try it on some old plane....hard to believe it had much power-to-weight

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  18. chromedRAT
    Joined: Mar 5, 2002
    Posts: 1,714


    so how did it fly without rudder pedals? how'd they resolve that? it's a neat idea and an interesting find if a bit aesthetically nauseating!
  19. stealthcruiser
    Joined: Dec 24, 2002
    Posts: 3,744


    I believe it had the earliest version of "ARI",

    that is ,aileron rudder interconnect.

    When all is rigged right,and you make a control input,the rudder moves the proper amount for the bank angle that you input.

    Clever,those North Americans.
  20. SaltCityCustoms
    Joined: Jun 27, 2007
    Posts: 1,210


    What is the nose on that thing? I like it.
  21. HellRaiser
    Joined: Jun 14, 2006
    Posts: 1,240

    from Podunk, NE


    Allison engines in Miss Budwiser..later Rolls Royce, Ranger engines in some sprint cars of the late 40's and early 50's. Flathead powered A/C but they were heavy, and really didn't work out. I want to say Funk, but Funk also had an early Model A engine before going to air cooled engines. Then there is the Pietenpole, with a Model T engine or some with the Model A. Of course there was the Henderson motorcycle engine used in a Heath A/C.

    Many of the old timers used to use the carb off those old A/C engines, modify them to run on their roundy rounds.

    What else? There was that picture floating around the internet of some one putting a radial engine in his motorcycle. And what about "Bomber" seats. Cowling latches used for hood latches.

    I can't rember where I saw it now, I've seen so many pictures these last few days, but I think is was on the east coast somewhere, where they grafted a whole Ford 8N front radiator and hood to their roadster, that looked neat. So as far as being creative with an Ercoupe, I think a V8-60 in some how some way, and made road worthy would be that cat's ass. But to look right, IMO, a person would need about 13" wires wheels in the front and 14's in the rear. Cut off the wing center section, and just use the fuselege section, place on some rails, add horn, lights and turn signals and have at it.....DARE TO BE DIFFERENT!!!!!

  22. Also 215 Buicks on home builts.
  23. 51 MERC-CT
    Joined: Apr 5, 2005
    Posts: 1,594

    51 MERC-CT

    1936 Arrow Sport flathead powered:) :D [​IMG]
  24. 51 MERC-CT
    Joined: Apr 5, 2005
    Posts: 1,594

    51 MERC-CT

    Arrow Sport engine:) :D [​IMG]
  25. FoMoCoPower
    Joined: Feb 2, 2007
    Posts: 2,490


    does that have an old willys nose on it?
  26. Flatattack
    Joined: May 25, 2005
    Posts: 317


    I was going to say a Reo Gold Comet truck, but I think you're right - 1938 model
  27. Appleseed
    Joined: Feb 21, 2005
    Posts: 1,053


    Man , Hellraiser! We are gonna have to talk planes at the Pile-Up.
  28. HellRaiser
    Joined: Jun 14, 2006
    Posts: 1,240

    from Podunk, NE

    I just retired from that racket, I don't even care if I look up to see what kind of plane it is any more...... unless I hear that it's a round motor.

    I prefer to fly down the highway now in the HellRaiser!!!!!


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