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Technical Engine ID by valve cover?

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  1. RMONTY
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    I ran across this car today, and am not familiar enough with Chevy V8 engines to know what I was looking at. I have a chance to buy the car but I was curious what the engine is. The valve covers are unique looking to me. I am sure someone can provide some insight on this engine just by the shape of the valve covers. IMG_20170223_154538-1.jpg IMG_20170223_154647.jpg
     
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    Yeppers, and if you know which side the dipstick was on, you'd be closer to knowing which one. Not guaranteed, but pretty reliable method.
    Sweet car, by the way! Judging by the Mud Dawber nests, that little gem might be in Texas.
     
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    I agree.

     
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  5. RMONTY
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    It looks like the dipstick is on the drivers side.....I think you can see it in the picture. Look right below the 2 rear spark plug wires.....looks like a dipstick to me.
     
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    has AC and a Mopar alternator. Neat car!
     
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    It has an SS automatic console of some sort, The interior is covered in rat turds. I tried to look underneath to see how roached the floorboards are. Couldn't really tell but the car is mine if I want it. It's not going anywhere anytime soon.....so I guess I need to gather more info....I have no idea what transmission is in it. It's sunk pretty low in the ground at the moment. I may need to go out there with a jack and get up under it, huh?
     
  8. 302GMC
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    That's one strange '51 Chevrolet ... I wonder what's underneath there, too.
     
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    Figure out what you have after you get it out of there as fast as you can.
     
  10. Marty Strode
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    Dipstick location same as this 348. IMG_1479.JPG
     
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  11. RMONTY
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    Here is the other side of the engine.... IMG_20170223_154554.jpg
     
  12. Squablow
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    I would be all over that. If it's got an Impala SS console in it, there's a fair chance that the engine is out of the same car, and a passenger car 409 is a fantastic score in and of itself. But a 51(?) Belair hardtop with radiused wheelwells and a W-motor swap is a cool enough old rod that it might be worth saving all in one piece. Would be a hell of a cool stable mate to sit next to that chopped sedan delivery you're working on.

    Get this, and get it soon. Get it home first. Everything else can wait.
     
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    The firewall has me wondering; it does't look like a 51-52 Chevrolet passenger car, although the steering box does (???). Got any more photos of the car? It would make for a nice build/rebuild. I am Butch/56sedandelivery.

    OK, that extra photo confirms the 51-52 Chev passenger car after all. If you can get this car, GET IT!
     
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  14. RMONTY
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    There is a 51 2 door car there also. It's basically a shell. It looks like it still has the 3 speed in it but the sheet metal appears to be straight and very little rust. Doors and fenders look very solid. I couldnt get under it either. These cars have been sitting since '93 or '94.
     
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    Did the Bel Air have the brake M/C on the firewall from the factory?
     
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    If I had the means, I'd be all over that.
     
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    "Short Timers"...
    But I'd grab that Chevy so fast the clock wouldn't have time to change! Yessir...
     
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    No, it would have been under the floor, but that likely had to be culled to do this engine/transmission swap.
     
  19. RMONTY
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    Ok so the big question is.....what's it worth? I know that is opening a can of worms but I need some edumacation on this one!
     
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    Worth? It's worth whatever you can get it for. Well...up to a point. I'd figure $2k tops. But I expect you'll get a wide variety of answers.




    Has two fuel filters, I wonder if the tank was rusty 20+ years ago? :)
     
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    I don't see a shift rail on top of the steering column tube. It is likely a floor shift, probably an automatic, as a clutch setup would a chore to get working properly. I don't see any evidence of it on the firewall.
     
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    There is a console between bucket seats....it says SS on it. I wasnt sure if it was a Chevelle SS or what...Squawblow mentioned the Impala SS......so that might be what it is. I guess I need to glove up and go back over there and get some casting numbers off the engine. I was ill-prepared to go turd-diving this afternoon.
     
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    Just get us a ton of pictures.
     
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    Hmmmm.....interesting on the worth. I believe I can get both cars for far less than that.....but I haven't talked to the decision maker yet. There is also a full skirted 51 4 door PowerGlide there that "was running" when parked years ago....Not really interested in that one though. I may end up being the "negotiator" for that car.
     
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  25. RMONTY
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    So if this is a 348 or a 409, what are the weaknesses and strong points of these engines? Also, what are the potential rebuild costs on these engines?
     
  26. squirrel
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    someone pointed out that it has the dipstick where a 348 would, so it's not likely to be a 409. A 348 is usually worth just a bit less than you spent to rebuild it :)

    They look neat, and you can get them to run ok if you spend a lot of bread...at least that's my take, I've never messed with them. Too easy to make power with other Chevy engines.
     
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  28. The whole package is kind of unique. Would be way cool to rescue it and rebuild it as is.
     

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