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Technical Engine Conversion Help For a 1962 Ford F100 Flare Side

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Duke_62, Dec 17, 2019.

  1. Duke_62
    Joined: Dec 17, 2019
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    Duke_62

    Sounds Great, I’ll see where I can find a 300 and a top loader transmission.
     
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  2. Duke_62
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    Duke_62

    Looks really good. I’ll keep the mount design in mind if I take that route. Thanks
     
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  3. Something guys like me who live where things are laid back don't think about. You calif folks have to worry about emissions and inspections ect. just swapping in a V8 might cause problems with the authorities for you.
     
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  4. Wanderlust
    Joined: Oct 27, 2019
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    Wanderlust

    . I was lucky enough to get the truck just for hauling it away, motor, intake and exhaust for the best price of all. So naturally I went that way, but also because I could use the trans, didn’t have to alter the drive shaft, basically a bolt in proposition, sure y blocks have quirks but what engine doesn’t. Seems y block really puts the wind up your skirt so I’ll say it again y block ; )
     
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  5. Duke_62
    Joined: Dec 17, 2019
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    Duke_62

    This is true, but thats mainly for vehicles 1976 and newer when smog tests became a factor every two years. But it seems like its pretty difficult finding a 300 six.
     
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  6. That’s because they are all still running and being used every day.


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  7. Ok I watch a girl on U tube Wonder Hussey. She travels around to abandoned places in the Nevada desert. And quite often she visits places where old vehicles are setting & rotting. much of them on Government land. Some have tags attached to them. It was stated those with tags you could take for free.? I would check into that. I seen a lot of 1970,s and older fords. Going for a bolt in Y block would be difficult. First off they are more Rare than a FE. second you will need the proper Y block truck bell oil pan & front cover and front engine mount. Then you need the crossover exhaust or the rare Rams horn exhaust. Then its doubtful that you find a good running used Y block. Parts and machine work to rebuild a engine is expensive. Granted there are guys like Boneyard and I that can dig in their hoard and have all the parts needed to bolt a Y block in a truck. However that is rare also.
     
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  8. Not quite all of them. I have a couple 300 engines. I bought them at a farm estate auction. I don't know anything about them. They where setting in a shop. one already bored out and most of the new parts for it. Also a homebrew 4 bbl intake and hedders. Apparently they where his favorite engine. The guy had several more. They where on trailers made into LP power units for powering irrigation pumps. And those started and ran. And they brought high dollar. That was back when diesel was $4 a gallon. Not long ago I bought a extremely rusted 76 ford 1/2 ton. It did start & run. Michigan Title. It was so rusty the tube on the rearend housing has broke. paid $65. it had a excellent 360 and three speed. it still has the 325 ratio rear end. Sold the engine very soon after I got It.
     
  9. Boden
    Joined: Oct 10, 2018
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    Boden

    If I were you I would put a Fr in it. You won’t regret it


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  10. southcross2631
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    I usually like to stick with ford in a Ford , but I found a 64 F100 with a rod through the block and had a fresh 350 Chevy and turbo 400. Fit like a glove with some mounts I made .
    My choice would be a 351 Windsor and a T-5 or an AOD.
     
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  11. Greg Rogers
    Joined: Oct 11, 2016
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    Maybe I missed it, but why not just use the original 223? It's already in there and really shouldn't drive that much worse than a 300 6. Even if it is seized and completely wasted then how about finding another 223? I would guess there would be some around removed from running trucks from a v-8 conversion. Don't get me wrong, I love a 300 6- I put one in my 56 but it involves changing engine and transmission mounts. Good luck with whatever you decide to do, just don't make it too complicated and get discouraged. Lots of projects have died that way...
     
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  12. Boneyard51
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    The 223 is quite humble, as compared to the 300 or y-block.






    Bones
     
  13. Boneyard51
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    Old Wolf, we didn’t knowvabout the ram horns Y-block truck manifolds and didn’t want to do the crossover, as we wanted dual exhaust, when we did our conversion back in 1965. So... we took a right side 312 Thunderbird exhaust manifold and put it on the left side, so it’s out let was in the front, made a nice curved pipe and ran it back. Looked kinda odd! But worked great!






    Bones
     
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  14. Duke_62
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    Duke_62

    Huh. That’s interesting, I’ll look into that. Thanks
     
  15. Duke_62
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    Duke_62

    I’m mainly looking for building a motor to have fun with on the street, and the 223 doesn't have much of viable aftermarket or potential. The only thing I have seen aftermarket wise are dual and tri carb manifolds and adapters, and if you want a more aggressive cam you would have to call a specialist to have it reground, there are no cams in production.
     
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  16. a 300 6 and 5spd would work
    the 64-66 ford f100s got a 240 6 which is very similar to a 300
    the 223 has a 64 down bolt pattern on the trans, makes swaps difficult
    the SBF is probably the cheapest
    a 5.0 from a ford explorer has GT40 heads and is a roller
    add a carb intake and distributor, set of headers and zoom zoom
     
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  17. Boneyard51
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    When my Dad bought our 1956 Ford pickup in about 1959 or so, it came with the 223 6 and a three speed and a 3:93 rear end. We built a set of cattle racks that stood up about a foot over the cab. If you drive into a headwind, it was difficult to make the speed limit! A Stock 300 would probably have more power that a souped up 223. In my opinion. But I did like the glass fuel bowl on the 223 six!






    Bones
     
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  18. You might want to run it by your insurance company.

    Charlie Stephens
     
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  19. fiftyv8
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    What IFS and oil pan are you using in this pic? 100_1817.JPG
     
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  20. deathrowdave
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    There are many options for this vintage truck . If it were me , find a blasted Crown Vic , either swap the complete frame or swap front and rear axle , use the 4.6 or 5.4 . I know it’s not HAMB friendly , but damn it works good . My , money would go to a 4BT Cummins and a Ford adapter , Ford auto trans and let the coal roll . FE is a torque monster , but it is no match at 1700 RPM to the 4 BT .
     
  21. ken bogren
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    What does the 300 six weigh? I have a 460 in my 61 and it's way hard to steer with so much weight.
     
  22. Mimilan
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    Buy a Crown Vic donor car for the engine and trans [ 5.0 and AOD]
    While you're at it, do a complete Crown Vic front end swap. There's plenty of info out there about this.
     
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  23. LM14
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    Jim Weimer Rod Garage MII crossmember and the pan is a 5.0 Fox body Mustang pan.

    SPark
     
  24. RmK57
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    The easiest, simplest, quickest, swap would be a 302-351 with an AOD or c-4 transmission. Half decent mileage, dependable, parts are cheap and plentiful. Besides the engine, trans the most expensive thing might getting the driveshaft shortened.
     
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  25. fiftyv8
    Joined: Mar 11, 2007
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    I had a 1961 F100 with a factory Y block and loved it.
    It was a good hauling vehicle, even at altitude.
    More recently I used a SBC 350 in my 1960 F100 with a Industrial Chassis Inc Dakota IFS.
    That worked out pretty good, but was my 2nd choice as I had intended to install a SBF 302, but I discovered issues with the Ford oil pan and the IFS, whereas the SBC was much easier to accommodate.
    I do have power steering with the Dakota IFS which is pretty nice.

    Some of the stuff I've done can be found in this thread I started a number of years ago.

    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/1960-f100-engine-swap.366906/
     
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  26. Duke_62
    Joined: Dec 17, 2019
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    Duke_62

    Thanks. I’ll keep that in mind before I start investing.
     
  27. Well it looks like the CV swap came up.
    Yes they are easy. But look like crap due to the way too wide track width.
    A friend of mine did one in his 65. Super easy and he hates the way it looks. Ya still have to modify to get it really low.
    I teach a shop class. If one of my students asked my opinion I would probably suggest doing your engine of choice and a mechanical restoration
    Add some front discs if you can afford it. Definitely update the single pot master cylinder. That’s cheap and easy.
    As your mechanical skills increase then start the big stuff.
     
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  28. Look for a 1965 or 66 3/4 ton or 1 ton or maybe a 1/2 ton might have the FE as well - that might have a 352/390 and the front engine motor mount - if lucky it might have the plain 3 speed in it.....pretty sure the bell housing and mounts would be good for a 4 speed overdrive transmission or 4 sp top loader - bolt in stuff - not a lot of fabrication work or money........
     
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  29. LM14
    Joined: Dec 18, 2009
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    LM14
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    from Iowa

    The motor mounts on a 65-66 are completely different than the 61-64 frames have. The twin I beam of the 65-66 shares nothing suspension wise or mount wise with the straight axle 61-64 trucks. Early trucks use a front mount that hooks to the extreme front crossmember area and bellhousing mounts on each side. The later trucks use side mounts to a tower on the crossmember under the engine and a common tranny mount off the tailshaft. Nothing in common. No help with an engine swap at all.

    SPark
     
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  30. Quick 61-66 ford truck lesson
    61-64 f100s and 65-66 f100s look similar.
    Frames changed in 65. The floors/cabs and frames along with engine mounts and front suspensions are totally different.
    Fenders. hoods, doors and lots of small stuff will swap.
    (The doors do not on unibody trucks)
    The 61-64 style cab was still used on big trucks past 64.
     
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