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Event Coverage Did the Right Car Win?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Jive-Bomber, Aug 18, 2015.

  1. Jive-Bomber
    Joined: Aug 21, 2001
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    Did the Right Car Win?


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  2. I think judging these cars is kind of dumb in the first place and I have no idea what criteria they are judged on but the fact that the Hirohata is the only one of the three painted in a period correct lacquer paint gives it an edge if you are going for an accurate representation of what the car was like when it was first done. It's not my favourite car of the bunch but in a competition like this I would think things like the right paint finish are probably a bid deal. No?
    Joined: Sep 29, 2014
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    from Newton NC

    Without knowing the judging criteria ............................... ?

    They look the same except for the color.
  4. Da Flash
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  5. Which of your children is your favorite?
    Who makes the better burger?
    If you were given the opportunity to own one of the three, which would it be?
    The hard decisions of life, and I know it has become worn out, but to be nominated is to win.
  6. As a 12 year old kid looking through a stack of magazines my uncle gave me I first laid eyes on the car between those musty pages and was enamored with the Hirohata Mercury from day one,it made a lasting impression on me that hasn't wavered through my adult years.

    It may be because it was the first Custom that caught my eye so many years ago but the style is unforgettable.

    I do appreciate the work of Sam Barris and his Mercury is a beautiful car as is the Welch Mercury,but when I close my eyes and envision a iconic,historical Mercury's I envision the Hirohata Mercury.

    Personally,I believe the right car won,but in the setting these cars were shown you can only have one winner.

    In a strange sorta way,Sam Barris could be considered a winner,he and his brother George did originally build the Hirohata Mercury. HRP
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  7. bondolero
    Joined: Dec 10, 2008
    Posts: 557


    At first glance maybe but the Hirohata Merc has more extensive work especially in the top with the true hardtop windows and quarters.
  8. 302GMC
    Joined: Dec 15, 2005
    Posts: 5,844

    from Idaho

    Trying to "judge the best" in any category, be it custom cars, hot rods, guitar players, or centerfire cartridges is hopeless.
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  9. oldcargary
    Joined: May 6, 2010
    Posts: 194

    from devore, Ca

    One isn't better than the other two because of some car show. Go to another car show and the results would probably be different. Enjoy the car and you're always the winner!
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  10. Who were the judges in the Post War Mercury class? HRP
  11. A poster on Rik's Custom Car Chronicle site said the cars were judged on period correctness in the restoration and impact they had on the custom scene. In that case I think the right car won. Sam's car was one of at least three being chopped at about the same time with debatable information about which was done first and was sold and shipped to Iowa right after it's first show so it probably didn't have as great an impact on the scene as it is given credit for in retrospect. Combine that with the period incorrect paint and it is hard to argue that the Hirohata should not have won.
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  12. They got it right. The others are beautiful, but The Hirohata Merc is a cut above.
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  13. mike bowling
    Joined: Jan 1, 2013
    Posts: 3,440

    mike bowling

    I've got to agree- that car's caused more cases of jaw dropping, and inspired more builds than I can imagine. I'm not even a "custom" guy, but I've known about that car and loved it for many moons.
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  14. 49ratfink
    Joined: Feb 8, 2004
    Posts: 17,443

    from California

    to me the Hirohata Merc is a bit overdone. Sam Barris Merc is just about right. my favorite version of the Hirohata Merc is when it was faded and worn out before he finally restored it.

    I'd like to see the other Mercs and pick my own winner
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  15. Jive-Bomber
    Joined: Aug 21, 2001
    Posts: 3,227


    Great, thoughtful replies everyone-- Great to hear the HAMB perspective!
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  16. Special Ed
    Joined: Nov 1, 2007
    Posts: 5,452

    Special Ed

    The real winners of the Pebble Beach Concours, are us. Inviting and including these customs in one of the most prestigious events in the world, brings positive attention and additional acceptance of our "hobby". We ALL won at Pebble Beach .... :cool:
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  17. tb33anda3rd
    Joined: Oct 8, 2010
    Posts: 15,199

    1. Connecticut HAMB'ers

    on looks alone, the right car won.
    but as a hot rod guy, what's under the hoods?
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  18. Here is what was in the class.

    and some pictures of them at the show
  19. Bob Hirohata replaced the Flathead with a Cadillac,not sure if the car still has that engine or not.

    The Wally Welch Mercury has a Flathead,don't know about the Barris car.HRP
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2015
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  20. The Hirohata has a caddy in it and Sam's car has a flathead.
  21. cory27t
    Joined: Apr 5, 2011
    Posts: 406

    from US

    Amen to that. I think that it's great to see our "hobby" being accepted by the Concours afficionados and from what I understand, a lot of thanks needs to go to Bruce Meyer for talking to the right people at Pebble Beach to allow that to happen. Some of the early hot rods and customs are just as beautifully built and significantly important as a lot of the Concours automobiles. It's gratifying to see them get the respect and attention that they deserve.
  22. Pewsplace
    Joined: Feb 10, 2007
    Posts: 2,738


    Hirohata's Merc has always been my favorite of any Merc's of that era.
  23. Beyond the accurate lacquer paint, it should be noted that the Hirohata was restored with all it's "flaws" intact...from the scoops cut different on each side to the old business cards stuck up in the dash to quiet a rattle. As nice as Sam's car is today, Sam sold it with still a stock interior in it. So, not throwing rocks at all on my part, but if some of the criteria was accuracy in the restoration, the interior, while nice and time line appropriate, is not accurate for what the car actually had at the time.
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  24. george775
    Joined: Sep 29, 2006
    Posts: 85

    from Nor Nev

    Here is a look at the entire class put together by Ken Gross:
    Bob Hirohata coupe of Jim & Sue McNiel-
    The James Dean movie car from The National Automobile Museum, Reno, NV-
    The Sam Barris custom of John Mumford
    The Wally Welch '50 of Justin Mozart-
    The Leo Lyons '50 of Geoff Hacker and Rick D'Louhy-
    The Fred Rowe '51 of Sam Pack-
    The Ralph Testa '50 of Bill Worden-
    Mild to wild, The Lyons '50 along side the Dean '49
  25. oldsjoe
    Joined: May 2, 2011
    Posts: 2,506


    As has been stated before, just being in the field is being a winner! Joe
  26. Impact is the key word. Not taking anything away from the other entrants, but the Hirohata Merc had more impact than all the others combined. It's THE custom Merc in most peoples minds...
  27. I'd be curious to hear Rik (@Rikster) Hoving's take on this ... ????

    ... as well as any of the HAMBers that were actually affiliated with one of the seven Mercs shown at Pebble ... including (but not limited to):
    • Geoff (@G. Hacker) Hacker ... co-owner/restorer of the Leo Lyons '50 Merc
    • Bill (@slixauto) Ganahl ... performed a lot of the restoration work on the Sam Barris '49 Merc
    • Darryl (@hollenbeck32) Hollenbeck ... painted the Sam Barris '49 Merc
  28. catdad49
    Joined: Sep 25, 2005
    Posts: 3,731


    Love the Green, Love the Purple, Love the Hirohata, Love to be there to look at 'em all!! I think that it's just great that they all exist! Does there have to be a "winner"?
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  29. Tom davison
    Joined: Mar 15, 2008
    Posts: 5,271

    Tom davison
    from Phoenix AZ

    Good question....

    Thanks for posting Pebble Beach and for taking the heat and controversy I usually get whenever I cover it!

    Got any coverage of the rest of the event?
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  30. Nobey
    Joined: May 28, 2011
    Posts: 1,171


    To me the Hirohata Merc is in a class of it's own, with those beautiful hard top
    side windows, the hand formed parking lights, and the flared front fenders. It
    just seems to go together so well.
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