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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by woodsnwater, Mar 21, 2019.

  1. anthony myrick
    Joined: Sep 4, 2009
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    small ball peen
    dont be afraid to use some heat if ya need it
    most of the time I fix high crown areas like that without filler
     
  2. oj
    Joined: Jul 27, 2008
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    If we're doing show & tell, here's one of my favorite tools and it'd make doing your headlight fun. It's a short piece of railroad track, I bored a 1" hole in one end as a socket. I have a chunk of 1" round and I make tooling for what ever I need for a project, weld the tool to a short piece of the round and stick it into the railroad track. Here's some of the ones I use almost every day.
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  3. Right on oj. I was told a long time ago, a poor craftsman will blame his work on his tools. A real craftsman will make his own. As a young kid I still remember my Dad using a rock wrapped in his old Red hanky and a block of wood wrapped in his T shirt to take out a dent in a fellows hood on a 50 Olds. It didn't even damage the paint and he was payed $2.oo. Olds guy was happy and we were in Fat City.
     
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  4. woodsnwater
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    That's cool as hell!
     
  5. COCONUTS
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    I wonder what would happen if you took a high speed cutting wheel (very thin) and went right down the middle of the crease. Then with a light and small hammer and a spoon on the other side, bring the dent up to the surface. Switch the hammer and the spoon and bring the outside high surface down to the original surface. Wrapping the whole project up by TIG welding the cut you made with the high speed cutting wheel. Now you would want to use the smallest diameter tungsten rod possible and start off my TIG TACK the cut closed. I think that the metal is thick enough that you would not have to use much filler rod. What do you guys think about that (esp. to those tin-knockers that can take a flat sheet of metal and make a basket ball out of it)
     
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  6. That's a good question for sure and it could be done that way however you have just created a lot more work overall for the repair. I'm looking at that crease thinking 45 min and I lay down my file and it's ready to prime. That would include at least one interuption.
     
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  7. patmanta
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    1. MASSACHUSETTS HAMB

    Just get a hitch ball from the store or pull the one out of your truck, put it in your bench vise and up inside the bucket so you can push the crown of the crease against it and hammer from the outside of the dent inward until the crater and the crown of the crease return to level with the surface of the bucket.

    Don't try to hammer it out from the inside.
     
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  8. @woodsnwater ...don't forget to show us how/what method you decided to try...and of course the results. Thanks.
     
  9. woodsnwater
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    Man that's a great idea. I have a drop hitch I can put the ball in upside down. It'll be perfect.
    And y'all are crazy if you think I'm showing MY metal work in front of these experts. No way. Thank god for filler!
     
  10. 49ratfink
    Joined: Feb 8, 2004
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    one thing a great many people don't consider is that the dent does not know which is the hammer and which is the dolly. you don't need to hit it from the inside, you DEFINITELY do not need to cut it and weld it back up.

    everyone who owns a hammer and dolly should read "the Key to Metal Bumping" which was put out in the 40's.
    https://www.amazon.com/Bumping-Instructive-Manual-Fender-Practices/dp/B000O3R1OQ
     
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  11. F&J
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    You won't need much filler, or none at all, if you use a file to check for low & high spots.

    When you get most of the crease out, a few passes with a file shows the low spots, then place the trailer ball under those and light taps around that low spot. Then repeat on the next low spot. It gets addictive when you see progress, and you'll keep getting more determined to get it near perfect.
     
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  12. a boner
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    When you remove the "GUIDE HEADLAMP" tag, grind the rivet flush on the backside (inside the bucket). That will keep the tag in perfect condition. Get some 4/40 brass machine screws and turn the screw slot off and reduce the diameter slightly so it ends up looking like a rivet. If you don't have a lathe, you can use a 1/4" drill and a file and sandpaper! Assemble with a small amount of blue lock-tite, to keep the 4/40 nut from coming loose. Use a flat washer under the nut....if you ever have to remove the tag, the washer will avoid grinding the bucket to get the nut off.
     
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  13. patmanta
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    1. MASSACHUSETTS HAMB

    Oh I'm certainly no genius, I'm an adept novice and I'm essentially parroting what Norm Campeau taught me.

    But I bet you will be stunned at how effective this is. Also, filler is a part of the process and nothing to be ashamed of. Just get it close enough that the file isn't showing egregious flaws. If you go too far up, bonk at it with a hickory hammer handle (on dolly) to settle it back down until you're satisfied.

    It's less complicated than it may sound here. It's just hitting metal the right way with the right stuff. You'll get the feel for it, which is not something we can easily instruct here. If you're feeling hesitant, find a piece of scrap sheet and smack a crease in it with a hatchet or something and practice the operation.

    THIS ALSO^
     
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  14. I prefer to call it Body Man in a Can.
     
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  15. woodsnwater
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    I'm sure this is common knowledge to all of you but it was a real eye opener to me. I thought y'all were telling me to use a file to take a high spot down. That never made sense to me and now I know why. Thanks F&J
    I bet if I bought that book I'd really be dangerous.
     
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  16. See that's one of my downfalls. I assume everyone knows what I'm talking about. You wouldn't be using the file to remove anything. Just like using a guide coat and long board when blocking a body in paint prep. It's light touches to read the surface of the metal.
     
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  17. patmanta
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    1. MASSACHUSETTS HAMB

  18. woodsnwater
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    I've worked on it for 20 minute so far using the trailer hitch and ball in the vice (worked great) and a little with the hammer and dolly. I left the crease a little low, better than high right? I'm going to go over it with a file to check for high spots and call it ready for a skim coat of filler. Thanks for the help. Oh, I ordered that bumping metal book from summit. It should be on the porch when I get home.
     
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  19. The37Kid
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    Safety cap on a gas bottle is about the right shape in place of a dolly. Bob
     
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  20. Cliff Ramsdell
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    I thought the same thing as I started the rebuild on my car but I got some good pointers from guys who know stuff and nothing negative.

    Post them up because it’s cool to see how others get stuff fixed.

    Cliff Ramsdell
     
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  21. patmanta
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    1. MASSACHUSETTS HAMB

    SHOW PICTURES TO US!
     
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  22. HotrodHR
    Joined: Jul 12, 2010
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    I have a couple of chunks of railroad and I like your idea. How difficult was it to drill that 1" hole for a tool receiver?
     

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