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Technical ***December 2018 Banger Meet - What Will Santa Bring***

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Jiminy, Nov 30, 2018.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
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    Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
    December 25th, Santa

    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:


    Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $31.00 for color, $24.00 for B/W (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
    Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
    email: jimb4e4@gmail.com
    phone: 951-695-7313.


    Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498


    Banger basics. another info link list:
    http://www.fordgarage.com/


    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/may-bang-er-thread.470853/page-4#post-5212157
    and this link shows the missing image from the above post
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-work-on-bangers.1010716/page-3#post-11427055


    The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/the-4-banger-hot-rod-picture-thread.997051/


    Model B rod bearing insert numbers
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484


    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
    http://web.archive.org/web/20120415...e.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html


    Adjusting dual Strombergs:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461


    Helpful Model A tools and tips:
    http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html


    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109


    Elrod's stuck head tech:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487


    Model A generator to alternator conversion:
    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html


    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:
    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173


    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"
    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465


    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10


    T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226


    New Banger Block in the Works
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/new-banger-block-in-the-works.616056/


    Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
    http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/headcompressionratio.htm
     
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  2. denis4x4
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    Started this thread off last month talking about tube shocks on my CCPU. Had to rework the front lower mounts to get enough travel. Finished up last week and well worth the effort when it comes to ride and handling.
     
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  3. johnneilson
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    Checked in for last time this year.

    J
     
  4. Crazydaddyo
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    Just getting one word answers to my question. Is it done? No.

    .
     
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  5. noboD
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  6. V4F
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    from middle ca.

    damn , another year gone
     
  7. Shutter Speed
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    Can't tell you how many (mostly stock) Bangers I cross paths with up here are shockless.
    The times I've inquired about it, I've been asked.."Do you think they'd make a difference?"
    !?!

    I think we had 1, maybe 2 sunny days this Nov...when it wasn't sunny, it was rainin or snowin...don't think I'll take the BNGR to cut a this year....Have a Bang-Up Christmas!
    Peace on alluya.
     
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  8. Shutter Speed
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    (...cut a TREE, of course)
     
  9. winduptoy
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    I'm shocked....

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  10. Binger
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    Checking in for the month.


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  11. johnneilson
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    Dan,
    asking if it is done is like asking for permission, always easier to ask for forgiveness..............

    Sorry to hear the news, J
     
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  12. JT1930
    Joined: Jul 1, 2018
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    Checking in. 3 months of having the car I’ve done 1200 miles with my heavy foot behind this thing. Pulling the banger soon.

    - Whats the going rate on a banger that has been rebuilt with insert bearings for the mains? Selling radiator to transmission. Thanks.

    3D4A177F-58EF-477B-8248-8BCAA56977F0.jpeg
     
  13. ROCKER77
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    $928.64.... respectively
     
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  14. lake_harley
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    Well....if $928.64 is the going rate for a used, running, not-ready-to-blow, insert-bearing Model A engine, I'm ready to make a trip to R.I.

    Lynn
     
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  15. JT1930
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    Hahahhahah
     
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  16. lake_harley
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    Bu..bu...but, it's almost Christmas and I've been a good boy! :(

    Lynn
     
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  17. lake_harley
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    Does anyone here run dual updraft Zenith carbs? Will they work with headers, or are the carbs in the way of the downtubes, primarily the center two?

    Lynn
     
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  18. JT1930
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    0E96F5EC-BC81-409D-81BC-9209632302C6.jpeg I do. You have to run stock manifold. Or make a custom header but it would be pretty tight bends to get the inner cylinders to exhaust. I run tilly X carbs though.
     
  19. walls
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    I don’t think there’s room.
    Reds makes headers for single down draft, but probably won’t work for duals.
    Otherwise, I’d guess you could split stock headers.
    I can’t remember where I got this pic, but it was probably from the hamb.
     

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  20. Shutter Speed
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    I'll double that...and I'm close by.
     
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  21. lake_harley
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    Thanks for the photo JT1930. I figured the center two cylinder header tubes would have to be really tight, probably so tight it would have quite a negative effect, being more visual than beneficial. Two updrafts is a good look for sure...and I think Jim Brierely spoke well of that setup in his book. I'm unfamiliar with "tilly X" carbs....I'm curious what are they off of and/or what the throttle plate diameter is compared to a stock A Zenith? Looks like the carb throat of the rear carb is really close to the exhaust. Air cleaners or maybe just some screens?

    That's a pretty simple intake you posted, walls. I think I could knock one of those out in a couple hours.

    Thanks

    Lynn
     
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  22. JT1930
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    I have screens on my carbs. Either tillotson carbs or zeniths it will be close. Unless you find a Trojan intake I saw for sale a little while ago with two zeniths on it. I believe that updraft intake is a little further out from the motor.
     
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  24. V4F
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    from middle ca.

    there is a guy on here (cant remember) that builds really nice intake & exhaust systems (custom) ……….
     
  25. lake_harley
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    That does look like it has a lot more room for header tubes, but it's a bit on the "steak" side of my self-imposed "hamburger" budget. If I'd decide I really want dual updrafts, more than likely I'll fab an intake and header. It can be tedious and time consuming, but it would also be rewarding to build.

    Lynn
     
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  26. stubbsrodandcustom
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    from Spring tx

    Well, I know I could sure use a new exhaust, and hopefully get these damn E brake issues sorted, thinking i have a warped or bent backing plate for one of them, put the shoes on, had to clearance the hell out of the shoes, then try to tighten the drum and locked, back the nut off and turns again. So that's on my agenda hopefully this month. Then moving to steering ball replacements hopefully in January.
     
  27. MJW
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    1. PA. NJ. local HAMBERS group

    Do you mean BCCHOP here on the HAMB. He does custom headers and intakes and Gasser axles in Torrington CT.

    http://waccustoms.com
     
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  28. burl
    Joined: Nov 28, 2007
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    Checking in. Really need to focus on this this winter and get it running and driving. contemplating a different cam after pulling the engine to clean up and seal with new gaskets. 28.jpg
     
  29. utahdodge
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    Hi guys, can a newbie horn in and ask a couple of quick questions? I picked up this ‘30 (I believe) five window coupe in a local auction a couple of weeks ago.
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    I am now collecting parts and am out of my knowledge “comfort zone”.

    An ad for a “model b Ford” out of an “old model a hot rod” showed up this week;

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    I am super cheap, is $1200 a decent price? Can you tell if this is a “b”? Any help/advice is appreciated.



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  30. studebakerjoe
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    Yes its a b. If you look closely you can see they have a plate bolted on where the fuel pump would go and the valve cover is taller.
     

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