Well it seems most of you understand what I mean. One of the cars in my examples was indeed PAID FOR, VERY WELL. Sadly the guys who did it will no doubt keep doing it. And doing it well below the expected quality/price ratio. I see most of the comments are regarding poor body work. I also mentioned electrical, plumbing, safety issues, and mechanicals. Sorry kids it's all over and not just these few cars. Hot rods ain't about perfection? Well if that ain't a rat bastard idea if ever I heard one. Yes indeed, I put all kinds of hours and effort and $$$$$$ into a shit pile in the name of hot rodding...NOT! Look at a class act drag racer. Everything fits and has a purpose. I said class act. Not as much on the outside of a circle track car since they get beat up every weekend, but the chassis on some of those are works of art. Some of those. I just find it a bitter pill sometimes. And to just blow it off and say "I drive my cars..." is a cop-out. I like the reply about the early car club inspections. I remember that when I joined an OT club once. I also can appreciate and respect a DIY guy that muddles through and finally gets it right, as well as the guy who just doesn't know true quality and is as proud of his car as the Duesenberg owner. There's no 'line in the sand' regarding this rant but I'll bet I can name dozens of HAMB rides that hit the mark before there's ever a drop of paint applied, as well as dozens more that rival the highest end cars in their quality and execution no matter how humbly appointed or traditionally approached. My dear departed Dad always said, "If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over..." Oh yeah, and once again 29nash, your slip is showing. Nice cop-out.