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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Kevo62, May 4, 2009.

  1. couldn't you go through a title service to file a mechanics lein? I know I've done that in the past with no-title cars,,,
    just a thought
    xoxoxo
    miss hootch
     
  2. Go to some other county .. some little county .. like Highlands .. somewhere away from Orlando .. Those folks in those little counties will work with you .. I did all of mine here in Gadsden Co. If I'd have tried to do it in Leon it would have been a friggin' nightmare ..I did have a title but all the names were screwed up .. The tax collector just said "put this here, move that over there, have him sign here" .. done deal .. They can make it work if they want to.
     
  3. red caddy
    Joined: Jan 20, 2008
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    red caddy
    Member
    from SW Florida

    Down here in Sarasota county, the best way to do what you need to do is to find a small DMV office,(I use the one in Palmetto) and ask them to walk you thru a "hot rod" title, A hand written bill of sale for the body and a tracing of the frame numbers (the build date ones I stamped on the tube frame) as well as a signed affidavit that I built the car and had all reciepts for the parts, put my A bone on the road. An FHP officer, hangin' out in the parking lot, did the required inspection for me, no sweat. The car was'nt driveable, but all the major components were there so any numbers could be checked. (he only looked at the frame number and the engine serial #, didn't even ask about the lights, brakes or steering)

    I took it to the DMV office on a trailer, that seemed to get me a lot of "good guy" points with the crabby old gal I started with... Paul
     
  4. James427
    Joined: Apr 27, 2008
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    Florida just passed some pretty strict laws regarding the purchase or sale of cars without titles. Basically it has been made a crime to do either. So, now when you go to register ANY car, old or not, without a title in hand they treat you like a crook. There is a process whereby you can apply for a title without a registration and the link to the form has been provided above and here. Follow the process as outlined in Florida law.

    http://www.flhsmv.gov/DMV/forms/BTR/Milpak/82040.pdf

    The MAIN thing to remember about dealing with the DMV is that MANY times they have no idea WHAT they are talking about! My daughter got her DL when she was 15 by following the laws of the state and getting all of her paperwork together. When we went to the DMV they told her she could NOT get her license since she was only 15. She pulled out the laws, showed where she had all of the required paperwork and had met every single condition. They conceded, had to call 5 different people and had to have the main office show them how to issue the license. When the machine printed it out, EVERYONE that worked at the DMV watched it spit out of the machine because it was a special license and they all had never seen one before.

    Main advice: DO NOT "ask" them what you need to do, TELL them what you are doing. Show them the laws, show them the forms all prefilled out as required, and MAKE them follow their own damn laws. That's the only way you get something done there.
     
  5. In Georgia, the registration takes the place of the title for older cars. If you don't have a registration slip, you have to have a law enforecement person come out and verify the vin# and you must know where it is so that you can point to it. If there are no warrants for the car, you can get a new registration, but must have insurance even if the car isn't running.
    If you know someone in FLorida that has an impound yard, have them apply for a title as an abandoned vehicles, then sell you back the car after they recieve a title in Florida.
    By the way, don't press your luck with HOA's as they usually have a homeowner that is a lawyer. When you bought your house, it was stated in the paperwork that you will abide by the rules, and regulations, of the HOA.
    Last piece of advice, whenever someone on here says, "fuck them", they are not the best source for legal advice.
     
  6. Ole don
    Joined: Dec 16, 2005
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    Ole don
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    When I was 15 I was outright accused of being a car thief by the lady behind the counter. America is great, unless you have a car with no up to date tittle, then you are a thief.
     
  7. johnboy13
    Joined: May 1, 2007
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    johnboy13
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    That is absolutely the truth, I've found that most DMV workers have a huge power complex. They know what you can do to get it taken care of easy, they choose to make it a headache for you just because they can or because they don't want to have to fill out the paperwork. Go to a small out of town DMV as was suggested, they might be more willing to help you out.
     
  8. Jarred Hodges
    Joined: Jul 30, 2008
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    Jarred Hodges
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    I'm not reaaly sure what to tell you. In Alabama cars were sold with a bill of sale until 1975. I heard that it was 1985 in georgia but I'm not sure. The owner wouldn't had a title for the car because it did not exist. To get a car regestered here all you have to have is liability insurance and they will sell you a tag. Do you know when florida started issueing titles
     
  9. Undercover Customs
    Joined: Mar 24, 2009
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    Quote:
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    is the car parked on public or private property?
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    Good luck with that. My experience is when some nosey ass from an HOA decides to f with you on car projects they won't stop. Had similar problem with HOA in SoCal. 1st it was the car in the driveway, then the grass length, then the wrong tree in the driveway, then the wrong color of paint on the house. The solution is to get the fuck out of that socialist neighborhood and move somewhere where your property is your property and you make the decisions. Then take the HOA fees and build the car, apply for lost title or a lien title since it has been on your property and be done with the BS... Good luck!
     
  10. rixrex
    Joined: Jun 25, 2006
    Posts: 1,433

    rixrex
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    Maybe its already been said, didn't read the whole thread..get the VIN off the car, send it and 130.00 to International Title service..get thier paperwork and go do an out-of-state title transfer and you will have yer title to show to HOA assholes!...works for me
     
  11. BLue62
    Joined: Feb 14, 2009
    Posts: 17

    BLue62
    Member
    from florida

    i just went through this. i needed a bill of sale, and a vin verification form. we had a notary come to the house and do the vin verification and notarize the bill of sale. easy and fast. hope this helps. by the way. this vehicle was from alabama to florida....
     
  12. HighSpeed LowDrag
    Joined: Mar 2, 2005
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    HighSpeed LowDrag
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    from Houston

    Personally, I live in a nice neighborhood. We have an HOA. I'm all for it. I pay my annual dues. I'm a hot rod guy. Do I want to look at your most recent "junk yard find" as I drive down my street? No.

    If you put it under your carport, in your garage, in your backyard, or somewhat out of sight, I don't really care. Put it in the front of your driveway or on the street, then, yes, I have a problem and will confront you about it personally.

    The fact that the HOA can confront you and do it anonomously kind of bothers me though.

    Hope it all works out for you.

    Mark
     
  13. I SMELL SMOKE
    Joined: Mar 6, 2008
    Posts: 1,527

    I SMELL SMOKE
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    they can do more. they just try to do as little as possible. i had a problem with a trailer registration here in Jacksonville. i went to the tax collector 3 times each time i got a different story.so i went to a small town about 30 min away walked in and in about 5 minutes was on my way with a new tag and registration.and they never asked for anything the other offices wanted.
     
  14. dentprone
    Joined: Apr 11, 2009
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    dentprone
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    Troopers can be pretty helpful for some advice as well...they do more than give us tickets:D
     
  15. There never was a title for your vehicle. Georgia did not start issuing titles until 1962 model year, and they did not go back and title vehicles prior to '62. All that ever existed for that car was a bill of sale.
     
  16. Retro Jim
    Joined: May 27, 2007
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    Retro Jim
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    You can get all the legal paper work to get a title for your car from Broadway Title in Alabama .
     
  17. Brad54
    Joined: Apr 15, 2004
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    Brad54
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    from Atl Ga

    As others have said, even when the car was purchased brand new from the dealership, it wasn't issued a title--it was sent out the door with a Bill of Sale. I've heard this was the case up into the 1960s, but I've heard several different years. I've heard of it being a problem for someone selling a '65 Mustang out of state.
    Currently in Georgia, you don't need to have a title for any vehicle 20 years old or older.

    When I brought my '62 Suburban into the state, I needed a bill of sale (not even notorized), I needed the police to run the VIN number to ensure the vehicle wasn't on the stolen list (and get the piece of paper they give you stating it's not hot), and I needed to provide proof of insurance because I was driving it. When I provided those three things, they issued me a tag and registration.

    I asked what the process was for vehicles going out of state, and was told they need to have their state contact Georgia, and Georgia will provide the documentation needed to the other state.

    Call someone with the Georgia DMV, have them send you the forms and get the paperwork rolling, and most importantly get the form that says Georgia never issued a title for that vehicle when it was new. Then take that into court and present it to the judge to let him know what the deal is. I don't see a reason to hire a lawyer.

    If things go south at that point, THEN I'd spend the cash on a mouth piece. But until then, it's a pretty easy explanation, so long as you have all the Georgia forms in-hand... and a phone number for the idiot on the other side of the isle to call.

    There's absolutely no reason to go through any other states, apply for lost titles, or deal with companies that "wash" titles through other states. That's opening a can of worms and opening you up to exposure that could lead to problems later.

    Go thru Georgia--legal, fairly easy, and they're used to dealing with exactly this situation.
    -Brad
     
  18. and the day you hit someone and they take you to court and take everything you own ! phewff on insurance , it's guys like you that make my rates go up and everyone elses ! Hey no big deal man ! get smart !
     
  19. Goztrider
    Joined: Feb 17, 2007
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    Goztrider
    Member
    from Tulsa, OK

    I seem to remember a thread about something similar awhile back where a guy registered his parts cars and project cars as "home made boats" and registered them for next to nothing. Something about the process wouldn't allow the cops or HOAs to mess with them because they were legally registered boats regardless of whether or not they'd even float.

    I'm not advocating this process, but I'd damned sure be into it if I had to where I live! Luckily, my ass is moving to the country where I have 19 acres now! WOOHOO!!!
     
  20. Kevo62
    Joined: Apr 28, 2009
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    Kevo62
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    from Orlando

    Thanks for all of the advice. I finally have it all figured out. Its gonna be fairly simple to do it legally. The people I spoke to here in Orlando had no clue that the car was never given a title, as thats where all the problems were stemming from.

    As for the HOA... I understand homeowners not wanting a project car sitting out in the driveway. Thats completley understandable. What pisses me off is that they are to coward to talk to me face to face about the issue. Instead I come home to a big green WARNING sticker on my windshield.

    Thanks again,
    Kevo
     
  21. Kevo62
    Joined: Apr 28, 2009
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    Kevo62
    Member
    from Orlando

    Thanks for all of the advice. I finally have it all figured out. Its gonna be fairly simple to do it legally. The people I spoke to here in Orlando had no clue that the car was never given a title, as thats where all the problems were stemming from.

    As for the HOA... I understand homeowners not wanting a project car sitting out in the driveway. Thats completley understandable. What pisses me off is that they are too coward to talk to me face to face about the issue. Instead I come home to a big green WARNING sticker on my windshield.

    Thanks again,
    Kevo
     
  22. 46chevyrat
    Joined: Mar 25, 2008
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    46chevyrat
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    from Deland FL

    If your neighbors keep finding reasons they have to look down thier noses at you, do what I did, politely inform them that they need not worry about your habits anymore, as you are soon going to be renting your house out to the local chapter of the hells angels for thier new death metal studio. Weekly practice will be at 3 a.m. sharp nightly. They will suddenly find a strange and newfound love for you and your junkheap (or was it recently made into a show car?) right then and there, shocking I know.
     
  23. 29nash
    Joined: Nov 6, 2008
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    29nash
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    from colorado

    Yep, wipe the slate clean, select a place to live that fits you, there's lots of them.

    What's a slate? you ask. Answer; A slate is kind of like a laptop, preceeding paper, it was used by students to take notes.........................
     
  24. 52style
    Joined: Mar 22, 2009
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    im with this guy or put a car cover over it they lift the to look for a tag thier tresspassing

    so yeah fuck the HOA
     
  25. Buzoom
    Joined: May 31, 2009
    Posts: 139

    Buzoom
    Member
    from Florida

    Did you get your title? You must have gotten the wrong person at the DMV. They should be able to give you all the needed paperwork and do the search. If no one reponds to their inquiry or objects they issue you the title.
     
  26. 59 brook
    Joined: Jun 12, 2005
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    59 brook
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    to register my 59 ford with no title but a bill of sale what i had to do was get a form from the dmv have a notary public( or police officer) verify the vin and then go apply for the plates normally
     
  27. carcrazyjohn
    Joined: Apr 16, 2008
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    carcrazyjohn
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    from trevose pa

    Clean the garage 'Buy a tarp or big shed.I would tarp and buy a title.
     
  28. juanski
    Joined: Oct 9, 2006
    Posts: 455

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    screw the dmv take the plates off your other ride and roll that bitch!
     
  29. chevyshack
    Joined: Dec 28, 2008
    Posts: 950

    chevyshack
    Member

    I bought my 52 here in florida and they wouldnt let me put into my name without a bill of sale from previous owner. Good thing i kept her number because it was a year later. As for the the hoa, they can go to hell. I just bought my house and thats one thing i made sure i didnt have to worry about. No one is going to tell me what i can and cant do in my yard unless their going to pay my house payments for me. The house we where renting had a hoa and they left me alone. But my wifes friend moved in and the hoa is bitching all the time at her because traffic has picked up since they moved in because of all her friends. Its a dead end sandy road that they maintain.
     
  30. boo
    Joined: Jul 6, 2005
    Posts: 557

    boo
    Member
    from stuart,fl.

    ga,is a non title state for cars over a certain age,20+-years.have the person you bought the car from go and get a regestration slip from ga. court house and send it to you w/ a bill of sale then get form from fl. tag office to verify the vin and bill of sale match,then go down and get a title, i have done it about 10 times w/cars from ga., and ala. very easy,
     

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