Register now to get rid of these ads!

Folks Of Interest Corporate Thieves....

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Crazy Steve, Apr 22, 2024.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Okie Pete
    Joined: Oct 29, 2008
    Posts: 5,136

    Okie Pete
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    Watch Jesse James video about a major company that bought one of his motorcycle fenders then sent it to China to have copies made for them to sell . Sadly big corporate conglomerates take advantage of everyone
     
  2. Jeff Norwell
    Joined: Aug 20, 2003
    Posts: 14,903

    Jeff Norwell
    MODERATOR
    Staff Member

    Stealing has been going on forever.....
    Not corporate. but I deal with it at least once a week...... its everywhere. Taken from bought product or ripping off from EVERY social media or Messageboard.

    IMG_1527.jpeg






    And here is the latest......


    Just blatantly steal, remove the signature and twist the color in Photoshop.
    add there own logos and viola!,...... they use my (and many others) work thinking they simply can.

    It really sucks.

    IMG_0915.jpeg IMG_1463.jpeg
     

    Attached Files:

  3. Sharpone
    Joined: Jul 25, 2022
    Posts: 827

    Sharpone
    Member

    Many do not know Chinese nationals are required to spy for the mainland. Not just the Chinese as Jeff shows people copying and selling art work I’m guessing those art hacks are good ole American citizens. Very few people care about anything other than cost. Nothing wrong with buying cheap stuff but be aware of outright copy infringements. You can buy an Elderbrock air gap copy for about half the price but should you? Yes big American companies offshored stuff to increase their profits some got hurt but most continue to thrive. The CEOs continue to increase their salaries almost exponentially. There done ranting! Buy local or from a small company if you can! Thanks
    Dan
     
  4. Those "Rat Fink" groups on FB are insane.
     
    GlassThamesDoug and Sharpone like this.
  5. 2OLD2FAST
    Joined: Feb 3, 2010
    Posts: 5,347

    2OLD2FAST
    Member
    from illinois

    We can simply blame ourselves , if there wasn't a profitable market for cheap , knockoff parts , they would not be produced . If everyone was not so greedy , none of this whole clusterf#$k would be taking place . It's part of the human condition .
     
    chryslerfan55 and Sharpone like this.
  6. I have read the article and watched the videos personally I waiting to hear all sides before making a judgement.

    I am not saying there isn't corporate thievery a foot, but by the same time anyone can get on Social Media today and claim anything they want.

    I am reminded of the Edelbrock vs Smokey Yunick with the Smokey Ram.

    Smokey's side of the story was Edelbrock bought the rights to the intake (to sell as a intake/carburetor combo) then put a paper in the box with his shop phone number for tech.

    The full story was more complex.

    Edelbrock had bought the rights to the Smokey Ram, but with the understanding it fully developed package ready to run with slight tuning.

    However Smokey being Smokey thought all the tuning should be done by the buyer, and Edelbrock ended up fielding tech questions left and right.

    Vic Jr. and Smokey went round and round finally Edelbrock being totally frustrated and exacerbated started putting Smokey's phone number in the boxes with the intakes.
     
    chryslerfan55, mad mikey and Sharpone like this.
  7. Would be real nice, if someone could get Jason Kencevski
    ( CEO of Speedmaster) to talk on the record, and try
    and explain away, this situation.
    For some reason, they disabled the comments on their FB page.
    And Youtube.
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2024
    Sharpone likes this.
  8. Did Edelbrock sell something without testing it first ?
     
    Sharpone likes this.
  9. This was the late 1960s 1970s there wasn't the testing there is today.

    Not the mention we are we talking about Smokey Yunick! A many who at this point was all ready a legendary mechanic, machinist, fabricator, racecar builder!
     
    Unkl Ian and Sharpone like this.
  10. RodStRace
    Joined: Dec 7, 2007
    Posts: 4,398

    RodStRace
    Member

    A company I worked for had all the data stolen without any connection to China. Then they reached out and said that they had it, and the Co. could work with them if desired. :mad:
     
    Sharpone likes this.
  11. Okie Pete
    Joined: Oct 29, 2008
    Posts: 5,136

    Okie Pete
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    It’s not only in the manufacturing of parts and products. The Chinese are stealing seed and grains from test plots used in developing new varieties for food production. Also ag chemicals being developed. Why spend years developing a crop when it can be stolen.
     
  12. In some cases, that's manufacturer-driven. I used to work in sporting goods, and MinnKota had a minimum sale price written into the agreements. I presume to help ensure quality/reputation
     
  13. BamaMav
    Joined: Jun 19, 2011
    Posts: 6,875

    BamaMav
    Member
    from Berry, AL

    Rule of business #1-You must make a profit to survive. All of our onshore manufacturing has been put into this position by our very own government. Increasing taxes, crippling regulations have forced companies to look elsewhere to continue to produce a product yet still maintain a certain profit level. Decreased cost to manufacture, means an increase in profit or the ability to maintain a profit. Like gamblers at a roulette wheel, they had to pick their global partner to make their product where taxes and regulation is slack or non existent. Employee wages have to be considered also, spending less on offshore wages increases domestic profits as well. The sad fact is you can never pay domestic wages high enough in most pro profit enterprises and still sell your product at a reasonable cost. $25 hamburger anyone? Recently a news item, massive increases in minimum wages create unsellable products.
    It's not one side or the other that has caused this, it's a multitude of factors coming together at just the right time.
    Inflatation and the devaluing of the dollar have been around as long as their have been dollars. We just have to watch our budgets and support the ones doing things we like.
     
  14. MCjim
    Joined: Jun 4, 2006
    Posts: 1,027

    MCjim
    Member
    from soCal

  15. Ziggster
    Joined: Aug 27, 2018
    Posts: 1,894

    Ziggster
    Member

    The enemy is an ever increasing greed of money…
     
  16. Sharpone
    Joined: Jul 25, 2022
    Posts: 827

    Sharpone
    Member

    I agree to a point. I worked for a major Dow 30 company. In the last 10 years or so I watched the CEOs salary skyrocket as the workers wages stagnated along with loss of pensions, and higher cost for benefits they shipped a lot of production to China, then complained that many products were being counterfeited duh and at the same time insinuated that employees were selling trade secrets. Our best defense is to buy from reputable companies, and try to avoid the knock off stuff. A lot of major players are importing stuff from China, etc. I just bought a Warn winch, paid premium $$s for Yep made in China. I could’ve bought a HF which is basically the same for a few hundred less.
    Dan
     
    SS327 and Unkl Ian like this.
  17. One company I worked at, used to bring in bus loads of Asian "tourists",
    for a company tour. The greedy President wanted to get into the Asian market.
    Of course, every one of these visitors, had a camera. And they must have
    bought one, because a couple years later, China was selling a bad copy,
    including all the mistakes in the original. Surprise !!!
    Same company, years later, different idiot President. They were getting some
    parts made in China, because it was "cheaper". But for some reason, the
    Chinese couldn't make them to the print, so the parts had to be reworked
    before they could be assembled. The cost of the necessary rework ate up
    all the supposed savings, and more. But the President, with his Executive MBA,
    couldn't understand how they were not actually saving money. No idea where
    he purchased his Executive MBA.
     
    Sharpone and SS327 like this.
  18. Everybody had problems with wet flow, on the Smokey Ram.
    Chevy did something sort of similar, on the Corvette, using a
    pair of throttle body injectors. Didn't last very long.
     
    Sharpone likes this.
  19. Stand on quite a few NYC street corners for a bit. You can buy a fake of almost any trendy item. Get down by Canal Street and they stand shoulder-to-shoulder. But people buy them, pirated movies are hot items.
     
    Unkl Ian and Sharpone like this.
  20. This goes for domestic espionage as well. Once the drawings/files are sent to a vendor, they are out of your control. Most places honor an NDA, others will sell their grandma out for 10¢. I know of one machine shop owner that would sift through a competitor's garbage to get information.

    One of my college courses was about engineering drawings, one thing was what should be on them, what should not be on them. When we merged with a bigger company in 2004, I saw how they did cable drawings. They included signal names on the wire list. I piped up and mentioned that this is "giving away the store". With a little devious ingenuity, the product could be reverse-engineered. All I got back was crickets.
     
  21. GlassThamesDoug
    Joined: May 25, 2008
    Posts: 1,643

    GlassThamesDoug
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    NDA... there is process someone got promoted on.
     
    Sharpone likes this.
  22. GlassThamesDoug
    Joined: May 25, 2008
    Posts: 1,643

    GlassThamesDoug
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    Worked for a company with a brand new compressor model/size. Compliant Scroll Someone broke into building at night, day before production, removed the fixtures from Okuma mills, and left. Most likely measured, photographed, . A window was removed where they entered. 6mo later German competitor came out with identical sized compressor. Their CEO was a former manager. Wink Wink.. Inside job.
     
    bobss396, Unkl Ian and Sharpone like this.
  23. Ziggster
    Joined: Aug 27, 2018
    Posts: 1,894

    Ziggster
    Member

    Yep. We hired a former Carrier Transicold employee (actually several) when we set up shop in Utica, NY. I had just developed a whole series of transit/inter-city bus ac systems. He quit went back to Carrier and stole a bunch of drawings. We learned this when we saw almost exact replicas of our systems at the next trade show. He was pissed because the owners (Canadians) had promised to contribute to their 401K plans, but never did.
    Funny thing is years after I left the company, they bought Carrier Transicold. Lol!
     
    bobss396, Sharpone and Unkl Ian like this.
  24. denis4x4
    Joined: Apr 23, 2005
    Posts: 4,224

    denis4x4
    ALLIANCE MEMBER
    from Colorado

    In the early eighties, speed equipment manufacturers were still producing annual catalogs. We were jammed in the fall getting ready for the SEMA show. A rep from a Hong Kong printer met with us and to make a log story short, our clients were happy to use this printer for catalogs. The savings were such that the client or one of our people could fly round trip from LA to Hong Kong, check the copy and get turn around time that US printers could only dream of. Finished catalogs were sent air freight. The number of speed equipment companies having products made in Mexico goes back to the 1960's. Offy used to offer polished manifolds, the EPA shut it down. Wheel companies were were having chrome plating done in Mexicali. Sandy Belond shipped welding jigs and component parts to Tiajuana and paid value added tax on the finished headers coming back into the states.
    Finally Unkl Ian, the last time I was at Speedway, they had 6 CNC machines running 24/7 and a complete shock manufacturing plant in Indiana, a fiberglass fabricating facility and a big R&D facility.

    One last comment: how many here went to your local speed shop and spent 30 minutes getting the dope on an Edlebrock manifold and then bought it from a catalog house to save $25?
     
    Sharpone, RodStRace and williebill like this.
  25. fuzzface
    Joined: Dec 7, 2006
    Posts: 1,711

    fuzzface
    Member

    Many years ago when I was an avid ebay seller I had a Snap On plastic case for some tool that came out of a storage unit I brought at auction. Never found the tool and the box looked like new condition so I sold it on Ebay. The buyer was from china and sent me a thank you letter for selling it to him, then he goes on about how he was going to use my case as a template to start making these cases and if i wanted to help him resell them. That was when I took my listings from international and sell to the USA only. I felt guilty about it for a while that I got myself involved in making counterfeits. How was I to know what it was going to be used for? I sold a plastic gun case that was perfect shape right before that and that went overseas too, made me wonder?
     
    bobss396, Sharpone and Unkl Ian like this.
  26. MCjim
    Joined: Jun 4, 2006
    Posts: 1,027

    MCjim
    Member
    from soCal

    What local speed shop...?
     
    Unkl Ian likes this.
  27. A lot of jobbing shops, used to cut the title block off of
    part drawings, before they made it out on the shop floor.
    My boss at the time, did not. One day he gets a phone call
    from a customer. "Who is this John Nielson guy ? And why
    is he calling us, saying he can do that job cheaper than you can ?"
    John was a local hustler and con artist, pretending to be a shop owner.
    Also a drinking buddy of my boss.
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2024
    bobss396 and Sharpone like this.
  28. I know this is wandering off-track a bit, but I still feel it needs a bit of clarification.

    The first quote seems to imply that Summit and Jegs at one time had a working co-operation that has since been severed. I doubt that is really the case, especially in the context of the rest of this thread. It's more likely to mean that Summit and Jegs, individually, have severed their ties with Speedmaster and not with each other.

    The second quote indicates that I may not be the only one seeing some potential confusion and misinterpretation here. Unless this reply was being made sarcastically.

    Combining the above information only further proves why trying to separate fact from fiction on the internet is often a fool's errand.
     
    Budget36, Sharpone and Unkl Ian like this.
  29. Are they still selling the design they stole from Vern Tardell ?
    Do their shitty Chinese carbs still come in a box with the exact
    same graphics as the Strombergs from England ?
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2024
    Sharpone likes this.
  30. Budget36
    Joined: Nov 29, 2014
    Posts: 13,538

    Budget36
    Member

    I wasn’t being sarcastic, I actually thought I missed some allegiance between them
    But your reply makes sense.
     
    Unkl Ian, ClayMart and Sharpone like this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

Register now to get rid of these ads!

Archive

Copyright © 1995-2021 The Jalopy Journal: Steal our stuff, we'll kick your teeth in. Terms of Service. Privacy Policy.

Atomic Industry
Forum software by XenForo™ ©2010-2014 XenForo Ltd.