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Clockwise Crankshaft Rotation. Is this a standard?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Baron Von Mike, Nov 22, 2004.

  1. Facing the front of an engine, do all crankshafts turn clockwise when running?

    Just a thought I had when doing timing this weekend on my Flathead. Wondering if its some industry standard, maybe based on some historical thing like Henry did it first so that's the way it is.

    It helps to remember which direction your crank pully is spinning when trying to do timing, like I found out this weekend.... [​IMG]
     
  2. Fraz
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    Pretty sure the answer is, "Yup."
     
  3. enjenjo
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    outside of a few Hondas, Corvairs, and some boat motors
     
  4. jalopy43
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    Yes. It has somthing to do with the rotation of the earth,and disruption of Currliaen(sp) forces in the universe. Didn't you know?? [​IMG]sparky
     
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  5. Most early FWD Citroen are backwards from that.
    Makes engine swaps rather difficult...or: why do you have three speeds...in REVERSE?!?!?
    Cosmo
     
  6. jalopy43
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    Fwiw,JC Whitney used to sell reverse rotation camshafts for SBC's for boat applications. spark-o matic
     
  7. Scotch
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    Vic Edelbrock Sr. ran a reverse rotation crank in one of his early flathead powered modifieds to load the suspension from the inboard side and improve traction on the left-turn-only tracks. It worked, until it was outlawed. Then, he went to adding nitro. Still, reverse rotation engines are not uncommon, but it makes engineering the rest of the drivetrain and the accessories more difficult.

    Scotch~!
     
  8. Brad54
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    A lot of boat engines had reverse rotation: usually with twin engine applications, so the rotation of the props would counteract eachother so the boat would go straight. It's hard to find cams for these engines!
    I had a friend with twin 440 Chryslers, one reverse rotation, and Lamar Walden has a pair of factory turbocharged 409 boat engines, one reverse rotation!
    -Brad
     
  9. Clockwise rotation is pretty standard.
    Some of the high dollar 4 cylinder sprinters are using an SBC cut it half and running backwards to load the chassis and keep the outside wheel on the ground.
    It might be fun to make one run backwards just for grins. but no advantage to it on a streeter.
     
  10. willowbilly3
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    By the way it is actually counterclockwise. When referring to am engine it is from the drivers seat not from the front of the car facing the engine.
     
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    By the way it is actually counterclockwise. When referring to am engine it is from the drivers seat not from the front of the car facing the engine.

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    I went and did a net search regarding this topic after I posted and there are a lot of places out there that talk about engines turning clockwise. Guess it depends on what side of the Pacific or Atlantic you're on. [​IMG]

    I also found a few places talking about engine reversing, like some have mentioned. Anyway, thanks for all the replies. Just something I was wondering about this weekend.

    Mike
     
  12. SKR8PN
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    I remember reading something about the old Hudson's,running in reverse rotation on the old NASCAR tracks..........
    Anybody know if they run that way from the factory??????
     
  13. noboD
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    SKR8PN, you took the words right out of my mouth. In the early days of NASCAR my hero, Smokey Yunick ran Hudson's. The factory provided mechanics to tear down a winner and verify that ALL parts were factory. Smokey ground his cams backwards and ran the engines backwards to get more torque off the turns. Somehow he even had the factory part number cast into them. He won, they tore him down, and never found it. Anyone that can cheat the way he did has to be a HERO.
     
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  14. fab32
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    noboD, If Smokey were alive he'd be upset to hear you say he cheated. He was a creative interpreter of the rules. It's been said that a good portion of the NASCAR rulebook is a result of Smokey reading the letter of the rule and not the spirit of the rule. He was a true genius and we can thank him for a lot of what we take for granted as far as high performance is concerned. I recommend that anyone who likes to get their hands dirty working on cars read the 3 volume story of his life that he wrote before he died. It will make you look at anything mechanical in a different way. He made you think.

    Frank
     
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  15. noboD
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    Creative thinking? You mean like being limited to a gas tank that held X no. of gallons of gas. SOOOOO, he installed 2 inch fuel lines from the tank to the fuel pump. Just so happened the fuel line doubled as the roll cage, too. He was an absolute mechanical genius.He built the first dyno for automotive use, it's in Garlits's museum. sorry to hijack your topic, but Smokey is the greatest.
     
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  16. Crease
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    HAd this discussion with HRH the other day. If you wanted to run a "backwards" motor, why couldn't you just flip the rear end over?
     
  17. Skankin' Rat Fink
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    I would think the oil level would be wrong for pinion lubrication. Not sure if loading the opposite side of the gear teeth would also have an effect.

    Sent from my ONEPLUS A3000 using The H.A.M.B. mobile app
     
  18. Mr48chev
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    They did/do that with Corvair V8 swaps. Flip the transaxle that is.
     
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  19. And a buddy put a 350 chevy into a Porsche 911 for land speed, backwards and all
    It worked great, until they blew the starter and had to find a reverse rotation starter, had to go to Salt Lake from Wendover to have one made
     
  20. Blues4U
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    Detroit diesel engines can run either direction. They can have the blower on either side. They are modular for a reason, it made them very adaptable to whatever the need was. 2 Detroits side by side on a boat, no problem, run 1 of them clockwise and the other counter clockwise.
     
  21. gimpyshotrods
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    We do that for mid-engine Porsche setups. It all depends on overall design.
     
  22. Rusty O'Toole
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    It started because it made it easier for a right handed man to turn the crank. It became standard because it was easier to get magnetos, starters, generators, etc.

    There are a few exceptions. Honda, Corvair, and an early 2 cylinder air cooled Toyota from the sixties.
     
  23. My motor cycle spins from back to front or front to back depending on which side you are standing on. :D
     
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  24. gimpyshotrods
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    OT for this board, but Honda's B, D, and H series engines rotate counterclockwise, as viewed from the "front" of the engine.
     
  25. Johnny Gee
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    [​IMG]
     
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  26. Gray Marine .....
     
  27. goldmountain
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    Trying to remove the center bolt on a harmonic balancer and the engine rotates. What to do? put a socket on there attached to a breaker bar wedged against the frame, and hit the starter. Worked great until I tried that trick on a Honda Civic.
     
  28. tiredford
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    I think what might confuse people is that some dissy's turn counter clockwise
     
  29. If they would have been thinking, they could have ordered an OMC, Crusader, or Mercruiser, reverse rotation starter for a Chevy marine engine. They weren't as common as borscht, but they were available in the 70s and 80s.
    Bob
     
  30. blowby
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    My two stroke golf cart spins one way for forward, other for reverse.

    Well he did say all crankshafts..:)
     

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