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History Classic Indy roadsters: Most beautiful oval racers ever?

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Bill McGuire, Mar 19, 2013.

  1. oldtom69
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    from grandin nd

    True story-tuning on a sprint car probably during late 90's-kept taking the hood on and off and sending him out on the track-finally said to hell with it and sent the car out without the hood-Driver came back in and said"don't EVER do that again!!'If you ever watch how much the front tires do on their own without any driver input!!!Its due to the way a modern power steering box works-while you hold the wheel still in a corner,the spool valve lets the front wheels "hunt" back and forth
     
  2. blueprint2002
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    blueprint2002

    What a great piece of racing history! Maynard Stump might not have been a Watson or a Kurtis, but he followed his own path, not just copying what they did. (Rear suspension, maybe front suspension too?)
    Lucky this car found you, to bring it back to life!
    Look forward to more pics whenever and wherever you are able to give the time to think of such things.
     
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  3. Stunning
    Keep sharing please
     
  4. drtrcrV-8
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    Additional "COOL" to have the "period-trailer" that originally went with the car!!!! Additional "points" if you are able to determine the original tow vehicle, find one & present an original "from the day race package" when you are finally able to display the restoration!
     
  5. hemiman_1999
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    I don't mean to offend anyone but this is a thread on Indy Roadsters and lately it has gone to Super Modified's which by themselves should have a thread of there own as they are also an important part of automotive history as well as the men that drove them at places like Oswego and other tracks I have always felt 1/2 Indy Roadsters wound up as a Super Modified I remember as a kid of 14 going to Rockford Speedway in Rockford Illinois in 65-67 on Wednesday nights they had figure 8 and modified's with as many as 9 Watson type roadsters racing with other supers most ended up chopped and modified from the speedway cars they started anyway all I am saying lets keep the 2 separate they both deserve a place on this forum
     
  6. s55mercury66
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    While I feel @guffey 's super deserves a thread of it's own, stop and think how many of those roadsters would have hit the scrap heap if not for a second chance at life as a Supermod.
     
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  7. hemiman_1999
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    and most of the cars that went on to a second life as a super ended up in the scrap pile many were crashed so many times the beautiful hand formed aluminum skin that made it a desirable car for a super light modified was cut off piece by piece and filled in with what ever the new owner wanted to do or had available the frames and running gear also met the same fate. What a shame these early supers were marvels in their own right.
     
  8. Offset
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    I don't disagree with your thoughts on the roadsters and supermodifieds. I do think however it is wrong that the two classes are not in some way joined. Old speedway cars morphed into new supermodifieds and continued to live a life on the track. No one knew there value of the roadsters back then, they were just old race cars made obsolete by the rear engine machines.
     
  9. vintageracer37
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    Looks like Guffy pulled his posts. Did he start another thread? If not, what a shame, interesting car.
     
  10. drtrcrV-8
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    Guffy : PLEASE START A NEW POST!! or at least know where you've moved this series of post to, because there aren't many places to see these modifieds, & they are an important part of the open wheel history!!
     
  11. noboD
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    Well, I am just me but I am interested in your car too. PLEASE don't just go away.
     
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  12. hemiman_1999
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    Guffey I don't think these should not be on this board I just think they deserve there own string as well as other supers that ran like Jim Champine's 8 Balls and so many others, if you think it should be here leave it, also I would not call my post a bitch but I can show you one...
     
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  13. Offset
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    I love going back through the very well done Oswego and Oswego Classic Supermodified history books to see the "roadsters" that became supers, many of them of course became "roadsters" again. So Hemiman_1999 you are probably right that the supers should have their own thread.

    Guffy's car however is a really interesting machine. It seems to fit into a couple of race classes, it is indeed unique.
     
  14. drtrcrV-8
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    'Bout time for a BTTT
     
  15. blueprint2002
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    blueprint2002

    60 gerhardt kurtis.jpg
    Fred Gerhardt's Bardahl spl. of 1960, with large aerofoil on left side whose purpose was to generate a side force and thus enable a higher speed through the turns.
    Some previews of the race, such as HRM's, featured this car, but I have not been able to find any reference to it in reports of the race (including HRM's). Clearly, it did not qualify, but that's as far as guesswork can go.
    Anyone know any more? Thanks.
     

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