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Cheap CHINESE Crap- Revisited

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by specsintexas, Jul 24, 2011.

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  1. I am starting a new old thread here simply because i want as many people as possible to read it before it falls so deeply down the board that it never gets the expose I beleive it needs.:cool:

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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> [FONT=&quot]I just sent my 50d plasma cutter back to the eBay Seller/Distributor I purchased it from and asked for my money back. Hope I get the refund he promised or I am out $400.00 cash and a whole lot of time and energy![/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]The cutter did not work all that well for me. It cut metal real good when I could get the plasma arc started which was “iffy” at best. Sometimes it took 10-20 tries to get the arc started. Here’s what I concluded from this episode. Maybe I can help you from making the same mistake I did.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]1. With few exceptions, all of these Chinese plasma cutters are BASICALLY THE SAME and come into two basic configurations. Those WITHOUT the “Pilot Start” option and those WITH the “Pilot Start” option. I will never buy another plasma cutter without the “Pilot Start” option. Period! [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]2. Having said that, each brand name has specific options peculiar to that brand name and each distributor stands behind his or her “Brand Name” independently. Given that, The distributor’s WARRANTY is key. If you open these boxes up you will soon realize that these “Cheap Chinese Plasma Cutters” are not so cheap at all and represent a really sophisticated amount of electrical engineering. (Please see attached pictures). Given that, YOU probably cannot fix it yourself even if you had all the component parts to do so. Keep in mind that the warranty is only as good as the distributor and that distributors come and go all the time. So the question you might ask yourself is “How Long have they been in business” and how sure are you “That they will be in business tomorrow” If they go out of business the warranty is probably worthless.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]3. Since you probably cannot fix it yourself and the repair will have to be made by someone (a Tech) familiar with plasma cutter technology, check to see if there is a repair facility in your physical area (within 50-100 miles or so). Unless you live in San Diego, LA or San Francisco, the answer is probably NO! Given that, every time your plasma cutter needs repair, you will have to box it up and send it to somewhere. In this case 150 miles is no different than 1500 miles. Plan on spending at least $60.00 or more in transportation fees TO and BACK for each repair event. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]4. I really do not buy this “Cheap Chinese Crap” argument. Many of your “Old Line Brands” like Miller, Lincoln, Thermodynamics and such are now made in China. The technology is pretty much the same in the “Old Brand Lines” as it is in the “New Brand Lines” like “Longevity”, Lotos, and Everlast just to name a few. The only reason that I can see paying more for the “Old Line Branded” machines is that: (A) they have a solid LOCAL repair infrastructure, (B) they derive their revenue (profits) from a wide range of welding equipment other than plasma cutters, and subsequently, (C) will probably be in business for a long time if not forever. This makes for a solid warranty repair structure and for a solid “After” warranty repair system 3 to 5 years or more down the road. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]5. If you wish to gamble on the so called “Cheap Chinese Crap”, here some elements to consider about distributors and “Chinese brand named machines”.[/FONT]
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    · [FONT=&quot]Do they have a good telephone number to call for help with repairs and follow on equipment purchases. If they do not have an established telephone number, you may want to cross them off your list. [/FONT]
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    · [FONT=&quot]When you call this number, does anyone answer the phone? And if someone does in fact answer the phone, do they just say “Hello” or do they say something like “XYZ company, how can I help you”?. You probably will want to deal with a “Company of People” engaged in “Full Time” sales and support and not one “Single Owner” (who may be selling this equipment part time) with maybe “ONE tech” or possibly “ No Tech support” available.[/FONT]
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    · [FONT=&quot]Check to see how long they have been in business. If they have been in business a short time (less that 2-3 years) the risk of dealing with them may be higher in terms of “Warranty Repair” , “After Warranty Repair” and just plain “Old Skool” technical “Hand Holding”. [/FONT]
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    · [FONT=&quot]Have they established an independent company web site or instead, only have an eBay or similar virtual “Store”? Again, FULL TIME ENGAGEMENT INTO THE BUSINESS IS CRITICAL. [/FONT]
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    · [FONT=&quot]Do they as a company and/or brand have a following? Have they established a user group? Are they advertised by anyone other than themselves? Do they have a good rating by the folks they sold their equipment too? Before you made the purchase, did you get to talk to the sales staff? people on the technical staff? Or possibly even the Owner over the phone?[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]These are my thoughts on the so called “Cheap Chinese Crap” plasma cutters. Please ignore my typos, misspellings and poor English grammar. Hope it helps. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]Specs [/FONT]
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  2. dirt slinger
    Joined: Jan 30, 2010
    Posts: 645

    dirt slinger
    Member

    My thoughts on the chinese crap is that this country could do without it. Anything that I have bought that was made in china was crap, but then again isnt everything now days made in china. I would rather pay a bit more for USA quality than pay low prices for the cheap chinese throw away stuff. I feel your pain.
     
  3. bought a plasma from eastwood company. im sure its not made in u.s ,. so far no complaints.
     
  4. alex211
    Joined: May 20, 2010
    Posts: 39

    alex211
    Member
    from NW PA

    I bought a hypertherm powermax 45 plasma cutter last year, well worth the $1500 I paid for it new. I cut 3/4 plate with no problem.
     

  5. RugBlaster
    Joined: Nov 12, 2006
    Posts: 563

    RugBlaster
    Member

    Did I miss something? Your telling me I need to avoid Chinese machines after you just sent one back? OK I will, I guess???

    All of my stuff was made here. I did fuck up once and bought a POS LG fridge. Paid out the ass for it too. It is a junky cheap piece of shit............joined a class action lawsuit because of it.

    Avoid Chinese (or Korean) anything........except chinese food made here.
     
  6. A lot of the basic hand tools they sell at Lowes, Home Depot, etc seem to be of Chinese origin. They look great but the first time you use them you can tell they are crap. I'm so weary of buying anything made there. It's almost impossible to boycott them because they make so much stuff. I wonder if Honda or BMW have any plants over there like they do in the US?
    Good luck Texas.
     
  7. MoparBruce
    Joined: Jan 27, 2007
    Posts: 227

    MoparBruce
    Member

    On this particular item, I'm on the other side of the fence. I have a cheap Chinese plasma cutter that I bought from a local distributor (chriy - something like that) as a refurb for 150.00 (the ground wire had come loose in shipping) - with a big bag of consumables. I bought a cheap one just to see if I'd really use it as much as I thought I would. The plan was to buy a "nice" one if I actually used it, after this one inevitably fell apart. Not only did I use it a lot, but it's been three years without the slightest trouble. I use a big 100 amp Hypertherm at work every day, and although this is certainly not that, it certainly has done everything I've ever asked it to do and does it pretty well at 4% of the cost of the Hypertherm.
    Maybe mine is the exception, but a good rule of thumb I have found on anything shipped from overseas is open it up to start with, and tighten up everything. Stuff shakes loose and/or didn't get tightened in the first place.

    Just my experience

    Bruce
     
  8. mikeey rat
    Joined: Aug 10, 2010
    Posts: 169

    mikeey rat
    Member
    from Australia

    I suspect that this stuff will only be cheap for another few years until competition is erased then the prices will rise as competition is the only thing that keeps prices cheap. I truly believe that once you give away the skills to manufacture, your economy is lost...Like you guys.Here in Australia we have given away our capacity to manufacture and are giving our kids jobs away for cheap shit that we dont really need. Hopefullywe will do the big circle and people with an idea to make a product which has a sales point of quality and service rather than price point will be able to start making quality products will be able to make a living manufacturing products in our own countries
     
  9. RugBlaster
    Joined: Nov 12, 2006
    Posts: 563

    RugBlaster
    Member

    very well phrased, Mikeey
     
  10. belyea_david
    Joined: Sep 21, 2010
    Posts: 134

    belyea_david
    Member
    from Regina, SK

    Remember, Stuff "Made in Japan" was once considered cheap junk. As their QA/QC improved so did the reputation of their equipment. It is only a matter of time before Chinese junque is not junk.
     
  11. I avoid Chinese food anywhere. My job takes me through the kitchens of a lot of restaurants here in NYC and Chinese restaurants are the worst.
     
  12. scrap metal 48
    Joined: Sep 6, 2009
    Posts: 6,075

    scrap metal 48
    Member

    And Wal-Mart parking lots are full..........
     
  13. The only good products I see from China are the buffets and the good looking women.
     
  14. hozem396
    Joined: May 4, 2011
    Posts: 287

    hozem396
    Member
    from ohio

    The bullet points say it all. Check out who you are dealing with. When spending large amounts of $$ check with the BBB.
     
  15. shinysideup
    Joined: Sep 1, 2008
    Posts: 1,627

    shinysideup
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    from ruskin, fl

    Many things are made overseas. They are made by different people to different specs.
     
  16. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
    Posts: 20,121

    Deuces
    Member
    from Michigan

    ........... And I still won't buy it!
     
  17. wannadrag
    Joined: Aug 2, 2008
    Posts: 407

    wannadrag
    Member
    from WI

    x 2
     
  18. SLCK64
    Joined: Oct 4, 2009
    Posts: 493

    SLCK64
    Member

    I wouldnt blame the Chinese, you are the one who spent $400 on a plasma cutter. Good ones that do the job time and time again are about $1000. So buyer beware I guess....
     
  19. Buy quality, pay more but pay once. Buy based on price, buy many times,..usually add's up to more than you could have bought the quality item at the start.

    The sad thing is that as more and more people in this consumerist world buy and buy based on price, the person who makes a quality product that will last is left behind as most people cant/wont see why it costs more and appreciate that and also he cant compete soley on price.

    Also companies dont want you to buy something that will last forever. Ideally their product will last past the warranty period and just long enough for you to be past the anger at the product stopping working to consider buying the product again. They make more money this way.
     
  20. RugBlaster
    Joined: Nov 12, 2006
    Posts: 563

    RugBlaster
    Member


    If looking like you have been hit square in the face with a frying pan is good looking??? :D

    I'm kidding.........nobody get mad. :mad:
     
  21. Mr48chev
    Joined: Dec 28, 2007
    Posts: 29,180

    Mr48chev
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    Yes, well phrased.

    But when you have greedy investors bent on squeezing every bit of profit out of something to line their pockets. Add to that a society that has been brainwashed with the concept that working with one's hands is beneath his or her dignity and everyone needs a four year degree or more in a skill that may be obsolete by the time they get the degree. And then that same society as a whole is always hunting for the cheapest item it can get rather than going out and looking for and paying for quality items.

    The majority of the guilty parties are right here in our country in one way shape or form. Either too greedy, too elitist or too cheap.
     
  22. Demon Seed
    Joined: Feb 2, 2009
    Posts: 106

    Demon Seed
    Member
    from BF-AZ

    There's a three letter word that explains why so much junk is made in China now days..... EPA (Environmental Protection Agency). They're the ones that drove manufacturing out of this country... and the American people are just as much to blame because they still buy the crap and support the Chicoms. Most without even realizing it.
     
  23. scrubba
    Joined: Jul 20, 2010
    Posts: 938

    scrubba
    Member

    The worst thing that ever happened to this once great nation was the Fair tade act Bill Clinton and George Bush and several weasels in Congress signed off on ............ scrubba

    REPEAL ALL U. S FAIR TRADE AND NAFTA DEALS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  24. EnglishBob
    Joined: Jan 19, 2008
    Posts: 1,029

    EnglishBob
    Member

    You bought it because it was cheap and it was.
    Now stop crying and save up and buy a proper one.
     
  25. i looked at lots of inexpensive plasma cutters
    i bought an Everlast it was dammaged in shipping
    there in CA and open at 9:00 am there tech guys work regular jobs and will call you back later
    t got a call from Mike he had me open it up to see what was dammaged 5 year warranty and stand by it
    he helped me get working because they were out of stock due to a sale so i could use it
    when they got the stock order the owner of the company Alex called payed return shipping snd shipped me a new one again they also had me keep all leads and regulator fore spair parts
    i have had this one for 4 years and had real good service with it
    i had more trouble with my thermodynamics than i could emagine having had
    i just purchased a tig welder that works well and stable enough to weld the thin end of 2 coke cans togeather
    i would be more USA but most new unites are not made here

    just fore your information the tech 's that they have can help with other brands to talk you through repairs Mike is a good guy most likly will get return call in eve
     
  26. zman
    Joined: Apr 2, 2001
    Posts: 16,595

    zman
    Member
    from Garner, NC

    Read This First!

    Rules:
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    4. All personal information listed on this board is private and protected. The HAMB does not sell this information and you are not privy to use it for your own reasons. Test us on this one and we will bite.
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  27. Thing is, the Japanese managed to improve the quality of their products in less than 10 years. The chinese shit started flooding our shores about 30 years ago. Their shit is still shit 30 years later.
     
  28. zman
    Joined: Apr 2, 2001
    Posts: 16,595

    zman
    Member
    from Garner, NC

    I like clean air and clean water.... :rolleyes:
     
  29. Ryan
    Joined: Jan 2, 1995
    Posts: 19,705

    Ryan
    ADMINISTRATOR
    from Austin, TX
    Staff Member

    Fellas... this is a traditional hot rod and custom forum... We don't really do this here.
     
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