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CARTER AFB Info :: Anyone have a List of Application ?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by DE SOTO, Oct 31, 2010.

  1. DE SOTO
    Joined: Jan 20, 2006
    Posts: 3,857

    DE SOTO
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    I need to get a List or Web Site that will allow me to I.D. Carter AFB carbs.

    I have a pair of 3783S Carbs & need to find the Application & CFM to see if they will work on a Blown 300 cu. in. DeSoto Hemi or any of my Other Cars.

    Hope someone has a Full List of Carb I.D. Numbers ... Whats out there ?
     
  2. squirrel
    Joined: Sep 23, 2004
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  3. saltracer219
    Joined: Sep 23, 2006
    Posts: 751

    saltracer219
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    Those carbs are about 600 cfm.
     
  4. DE SOTO
    Joined: Jan 20, 2006
    Posts: 3,857

    DE SOTO
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    Well 1200 CFM is a bit much for my DeSoto ... But may be OK for my 400 inch '60 Pontiac :D

    But Maybe it would be better to sell them as 409 carbs, They have a date code of D6 = April 1966
     

  5. HEATHEN
    Joined: Nov 22, 2005
    Posts: 7,591

    HEATHEN
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    from SIDNEY, NY

    I've run across several 3783S carbs with date codes like yours that indicate them being an over the counter replacement. I think that they were very popular for hot rodders to buy for use on their hot rodded 283 or whatever.
     
  6. DE SOTO
    Joined: Jan 20, 2006
    Posts: 3,857

    DE SOTO
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    I have a pair of them Matched on a 2x4 394 Olds Intake with some Neet Louvered Air cleaners.
     
  7. carbking
    Joined: Dec 20, 2008
    Posts: 2,859

    carbking
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    Carter produced 505 different model AFB carburetors.

    A complete list is available, but it isn't cheap. I spent hundreds of hours of research compiling the list.

    For the most part, CFM ratings were not published for Carter AFB's; nor were they published on most carburetors designed for O.E. applications.

    Here is a list of those that were actually published.

    3720 - 575
    3721 - 575
    4758 - 500
    4759 - 625
    4760 - 750
    4761 - 500
    4762 - 750
    9400 - 400
    9410 - 400
    9500 - 500
    9501 - 500
    9510 - 500
    9511 - 500
    9625 - 625
    9626 - 625
    9627 - 625
    9635 - 625
    9636 - 625
    9637 - 625

    These are all genuine Carter AFB's (made by Carter). My list does not include the later copies.

    To identify MOST (not all) AFB's, use your favorite search engine, and search the following string: thecarburetorshop followed by the carb number.

    In the case for this thread: thecarburetorshop 3783

    This will bring you to a page on our website. Now use the "find on this page" command in your browser (under the "edit" menu if you use I.E.) to take you to the exact application. There are approximately 80,000 entries on the website.

    Jon.
     
  8. carbking
    Joined: Dec 20, 2008
    Posts: 2,859

    carbking
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    I have ratings on a few other AFB's from the factory documentation (not published); but have no intention of producing a list of this information.

    i will state the largest Carter AFB was the 3636s (Pontiac) which tested 939 CFM.

    Jon.
     
  9. 68barracuda
    Joined: Apr 8, 2010
    Posts: 8

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    Dear all after contacting Jon with a friendly request I got the following email back - sir YOU are what is wrong with this industry:

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font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> <table class="MsoNormalTable" style="" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style=""> <td style="padding: 0cm;" valign="top"> We would NEVER even consider putting edelbrock junk in genuine Carter carburetors. Regards.

    --- On Thu, 11/25/10, 68barracuda @ THE H.A.M.B. <fanie.gerber@valiant50.co.za> wrote:

    From: 68barracuda @ THE H.A.M.B. <fanie.gerber@valiant50.co.za>
    Subject: AFB identification
    To: carbqueen@sbcglobal.net
    Date: Thursday, November 25, 2010, 3:32 AM

    This is a message from 68barracuda at THE H.A.M.B. ( http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/index.php ). The THE H.A.M.B. owners cannot accept any responsibility for the contents of the email.

    To email 68barracuda, you can use this online form:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/sendmessage.php?do=mailmember&u=110503

    OR, by email:
    mailto:fanie.gerber@valiant50.co.za

    This is the message:

    Hi,
    I have an carter AFB with electric choke with the following number stamped on the left hand flange vertical surface B8 9162 S
    Any information as to original application, CFM, and what rebuild kits - ie from Edelbrock can be used will be much appreciated
    Regards
    Fanie Gerber
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  10. 68barracuda
    Joined: Apr 8, 2010
    Posts: 8

    68barracuda
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    BTW JON - the rest of us like to share.. so here goes
    Competiton series Aftermarket

    S/No Model Year Engine Cfm

    Comp 9263
    Comp 9410 OE 400
    Comp 9502 OEGM 500
    Comp 9503 OEGM 500
    Comp 9504 OEGM 500
    Comp 9511 OEMopar 500
    Comp 9605 OEGM 600
    Comp 9606 OE Mopar 600
    Comp 9626 OE Ford 625
    Comp 9627 OEFord 625
    Comp9635 OEGM 625
    Comp 9636 OEMopar 625
    Comp 9637 OEFord 625
    Comp 9755 OEGM 750

    9502 500 universal, chokeless
    9503 500 '' , manual choke
    9504 500 '' , electric choke, EGR
    9605 600 GM, manual choke
    9606 600 Chrysler, manual choke
    9607 600 Ford, manual choke
    9635 625 GM, electric choke, EGR
    9636 625 Chrysler, electric choke, EGR
    9637 625 Ford, electric choke, EGR
    9638 625 GM, electric choke, EGR, "E-coat"
    9755 750 GM, manual choke
    9756 750 Chrysler, manual choke
    9757 750 Ford, manual choke
    9641 625 Universal Marine, Electric choke
    9758 750 Universal Marine, Electric choke


    AMC

    S/No Model Year Engine Cfm


    4354 AMC 66/68 290
    4468 68
    4583 68
    4623 68 343
    4663
    4665 AMC

    6046 AMC 68



    MOPAR

    S/No Model Year Engine Cfm


    2797 300 1959 413
    2798 300 1959 413LRAM
    2797 300 1959 413LRAM
    2903 300 1960 413LRAM
    2927 300 1960 413
    3108 Desoto 61 413
    3131 Dodge 66 440
    3134 Ch300 61 413
    3251 Ch300 62 413
    3256 Ch300 62 413
    3258 Ch300 62 413LRAM
    3259 Ch300 62 413RAM
    3374 Police 61 383
    3375 Police 61 383
    3505 300J 63/64 413DQ 600
    3611 Mopar 1964 426W
    3613 Canada 64 383
    3614 64 413
    3615 64 413
    3644 64 413
    3855 Ch300 65 383
    3856 Mopar 1965/66 383
    " Mopar 64/65 413 600
    3858 Mopar 65 413 600
    3859 65 413/426
    3860 65 413/426
    3871 65 413
    3980 Mopar 65/66 M273-B 600
    4131 Mopar 66
    4299 Mopar 66/67 383

    4430 S/Bird 70 426H 600
    4431 S/Bird 70 " 600
    4428 AVS CorR/T 68 440 750
    4432 S/Bird 70 "Auto

    4638 AVS 69 383 600
    4746 Mopar 426H DQ REAR
    4758 Mopar 500
    4761 Mopar 500
    4970 Mopar 71 426H 500

    4971 Mopar 426H DQ FNT

    S/No Model Year Engine Cfm
    2640
    3258 Ford Cobra 289DQ
    3259 Ford Cobra 289DQ


    CORVETTE

    S/No Model Year Engine Cfm



    3269 Corvette 1962 K1? 600
    3310
    3460 Corvette
    3461 Corvette 62/63/64 327
    3629
    3720 Corvette 1964/65 600
    3721 Corvette 350 600

    CHEV

    S/No Model Year Engine Cfm


    3361 Chevy 62/63 Dual 409
    3362 Chevy 62/63 Dual 409
    3460 63
    3461 " 63 327
    3499 Chevy 63/64 409
    3720 " 65 327
    3783 61-65 409
    3721 " 65 327A 525
    3904 "
    4027 Chevelle 66/67 6004615
    4966

    CADDY

    S/No Model Year Engine Cfm


    2479 57
    2696 58
    2815 59
    2862 Cadillac 58
    3352 " 62 390
    3481 63
    3656 64
    3903 65
    3904 65
    3903 " 65 390/429
    3906 66
    4169 66



    OLDSMOBILE

    S/No Model Year Engine Cfm


    4295 Oldsmobile 71 455




    BUICK

    S/No Model Year Engine Cfm


    2840 Buick 59 364
    2982
    3297 62
    3503 63
    3578 61/63 401
    3633 64
    3665 "
    3633 "
    3826 65
    3921 65
    4055 66
    4053 Riviera 66 401
    4331 67


    3578 Buick 61/63
    4053 Buick 63/66
    4055 Buick 66 340
    4453 Buick 66 401



    PONTIAC

    S/No Model Year Engine Cfm


    2740 Pontiac 57/60 370 / 389
    2767 " 58 370
    2819 59/60
    3123 " 58 370
    " " 59/63 389
    " " 59/63 421

    3300 Pontiac 62 389
    3326 Firebird 67 326
    " GTO 64
    " Tempest 64/67 326/389

    " Pontiac 64/67 389/421/400
    3651 Pontiac 57-67
    3895 GTO 65
    4242 Pontiac 67/69 389/400
    4413 Poncho 400 67
    7042 400 750

    STUDEBAKER

    S/No Model Year Engine Cfm


    3506 AvantiR1 625
    3507 Stude 63/64
    3588 " "
    3725 " "
    3508
    3540 259/289

    3589 "
    3606 625
    3726 "
    3808 Avanti R2 304 625
    3810 Avanti R3/R4 304DQ 625
    3811 Avanti R3/R4 304DQ 625


    UNKNOWNS

    S/No Model Year Engine Cfm

    2506
    2819
    3131
    3921
    3647
    4354
    4762 750
     
  11. 68barracuda, FWIW and no disrespect to you as a new member, { welcome too BTW}, Jon, Carbking, is always eager to help and offer very valuable information to all of us. He is and has been a very valuable assett to the HAMB. I believe maybe something got lost in the worlds apart that we are, and no harm was meant. We are very traditional here, and some/most of the new or later model replacement items for our Hot Rods, tend to push our patience at times. Most of the new aftermarket replacements are totally against our ideals about our love of the good old days, and the quality and pride that came with owning and maintaining them. Thank you for listening, BDM
     
  12. 68barracuda
    Joined: Apr 8, 2010
    Posts: 8

    68barracuda
    Member

    Hi Guys,
    I appreciate what you sre saying - but the fact remains - I asked politely for information and ALL that was wriiten in the reply was:

    "We would NEVER even consider putting edelbrock junk in genuine Carter carburetors. Regards."

    That is the sum total of the reply - from this I gather he is incredibly rude
    and not prepared to help a fellow enthusiast.
     
  13. sycsteve
    Joined: Jan 29, 2011
    Posts: 16

    sycsteve
    Member

    Any ideas what the original Compotition series 750 cfm Carters are worth?
    Here's a pic of the one I have. USA made mechanicle secondarys.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. mr3404speed
    Joined: Aug 18, 2011
    Posts: 1

    mr3404speed
    Member

    Hi guys - I have a set of old Carter AFB's and I can not find numbers anywhere to correspond with any other numbers. The ONLY numbers I have found on this are in 2 different locations on both Carbs. the numbers 1450 are stamped on bottom side of carbs under the Choke, then raised numbers 1485 directly on top of carb over Choke side, then on bowl the numbers are O - 1565 . all 4 venturi's have numbers as well. There are no more numbers on these but these are a set. Any help please ???
    Thanks
     
  15. Nuvolari
    Joined: Nov 30, 2010
    Posts: 73

    Nuvolari
    Member
    from Italy

    I have two Carter AFB carburetors, 1977.
    A casting is: B2 3980 and the other is: B2 3980s (the other casting: VP 1859)
    out of that engine? Where can I find the kit review?
    thanks
     
  16. 68 barracuda,
    The other reason you dont put Edelbrock parts in an afb is they dont fit. A genuine carter afb is PHYSICALLY Smaller then an Eddy. The original competition series stuff is the same size however.
     
  17. Nuvolari
    Joined: Nov 30, 2010
    Posts: 73

    Nuvolari
    Member
    from Italy

    thanks for the reply, I took photos.
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    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  18. caddypaddy
    Joined: Apr 13, 2012
    Posts: 1

    caddypaddy
    Member

    im looking for a new Carter AFB (mine is 3481) can anybody help me?
     
  19. Buford
    Joined: Aug 30, 2001
    Posts: 314

    Buford
    Member

    ID on 68 barracuda's unknowns...2506 is Pontiac '57 AT, 2819 is Pontiac '59 AT, 3131 is Plymouth '60 & '61 with power pak, 3921 is '65 Buick, 3647 is Pontiac 389 '63 & '64, 4354 is AMC '67 AT, 4762 is Carter Competition Series 750 cfm with (no choke) for dual quads
    Happy motoring, Buford
     

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