Register now to get rid of these ads!

Projects CALLING noboD- the Victory is HOME!!!

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Mac the Yankee, Mar 18, 2023.

  1. Well, it's only taken another 6 years, but Dad's '28 Victory Six is in my garage and ready to be gone through!!!

    Dad and my oldest sister will be visiting in May for our middle son's graduation and daughter's 8th grade commencement, so I'm trying to get the car running and driving.

    Dad NEVER got the opportunity to enjoy the car after the exterior was restored 30 YEARS AGO (long, ugly story including the interior being lost for most of that time). I won't be able to get the interior done, but some blankets wrapped around the seats will work just fine.

    I need to clean out the tank and blow out the lines, then get a new electric inline pump and rebuild the carb to get the engine running.
    Pulled the drums and checked the master cylinder- just about empty and one of the front pad springs was broken... will see if NAPA will have a replacement (the brake cylinders match early Divco, so there may be hope)!

    Couple of questions-
    - Should I replace the brake fluid with synthetic? and what DOT (if it matters)?
    - Any recommendations on the pump? This is a 6 volt positive ground system.

    Attached Files:

  2. 31Apickup
    Joined: Nov 8, 2005
    Posts: 3,162


    Beautiful car!
  3. grumpy gaby 2
    Joined: Aug 10, 2019
    Posts: 322

    grumpy gaby 2

    Very nice-looking car!
  4. It's pretty dusty- will get better pics when it's clean :D
    Tow Truck Tom likes this.

  5. I'd suggest using DOT3 brake fluid.
  6. dwollam
    Joined: Oct 22, 2012
    Posts: 1,977


    As said above, DOT 3 fluid.
    Don't use an electric pump. Rebuild the vacuum fuel pump, they work fine. The electrics will push past the needle and seat and flood the carb.

    Contact for parts

    chryslerfan55 and pprather like this.
  7. Wow.... she's a beauty!!
  8. 41 GMC K-18
    Joined: Jun 27, 2019
    Posts: 2,801

    41 GMC K-18

    That's going to be a great car to go cruising around in!
    chryslerfan55 likes this.
  9. 05snopro440
    Joined: Mar 15, 2011
    Posts: 262


  10. noboD
    Joined: Jan 29, 2004
    Posts: 8,061


    Exactly and good on you Bill. I know two DBs that burnt to the ground because of electric fuel pumps. As I remember William wanted to take his driver's test in this car.
  11. Going to talk with Jon (carbking) about a rebuild kit for the Carter BB1D this week (the car originally came with a Stromberg UX2 and are rare due to "zincpest" and even more expensive because they were also used for Auburn, etc).

    At some point I will rebuild the vacuum tank, but it was gutted by the person who did the restoration and I don't even know if he gave us the parts back, soooo I'll be using an electric pump until then- cut my teeth driving a '30 Packard with one, so I know to be careful about cutting on/off and disconnecting/removing the battery when I'm not driving the car. Figuring on using a 12v with the 6v system so it runs on as low pressure as possible.

    Lastly, any recommendations on a brake cylinder hone brand? There are tons of them for sale- I just want to know if anyone has a preference (quality of stones, etc)
    chryslerfan55 likes this.
  12. Nice car!! Good on you to get it running to take Dad for a spin. I really miss working on cars with my Dad. I have always had great luck with Lisle Tools. I have several Lisle hones, just remember to use clean brake fluid to hone with.
    VANDENPLAS likes this.
  13. Super cool thanks for sharing
    Truckdoctor Andy likes this.
  14. And Vandenplas... it IS a Dodge :D
    VANDENPLAS likes this.
  15. Budget36
    Joined: Nov 29, 2014
    Posts: 10,862


    Curious if you know, but we’re all Dodge 6 cyl engines using the same carburetor in 31-32? I’ve one from the original engine that was in my pickup, all I recall is it had a cast iron base, never even looked at who made it.
    chryslerfan55 likes this.
  16. I know Ball and Ball carbs were popular on dodge and Chrysler products .

    speaking from when I had my 53 Chrysler 1st with the stock single carb then with a factory dodge duel carb set up . Finding kits was a bit of a challenge as multiple brands where used depending on where the car was manufactured and with what options .
    chryslerfan55 and Budget36 like this.
  17. Budget36, if it's an updraft, I'd be interested in it- anything to get closer to what is correct!

    Variations abound with Dodge, especially in the 20's-early 30's... in the 18 months that they made the Victory Six, there are PAGES of changes/updates that were sent out to the dealership repair shops. Also, Dad and I have found both zinc (zamac) and cast iron examples of distributor bases, carb bases, and starter and generator ends- always on the hunt for the indestructible iron versions :D
  18. carbking
    Joined: Dec 20, 2008
    Posts: 3,506


    A few thoughts:

    (1) In 1928 Dodge used three (3) different carburetors on the Victory 6: (A) leftover 1927 Stromberg TX-2 (early), (B) the Stromberg UX-2 (later), and the Stewart (Detroit Lubricator) model 25 (used all year).

    (2) The TX-2 was early zinc alloy; there are probably zero useable TX-2 carbs left in our solar system!

    (3) The UX-2 was also zinc alloy; there MIGHT be an original somewhere that is still useable, but since 1959 I have not seen one! There is a gentleman in Australia who was/is? reproducing the castings from aluminum, so a "new" UX-2 could be made from his castings, and a broken original donor.

    (4) The Stewart model 25 (careful here, as Stewart made LOTS of DIFFERENT model 25 carbs) was brass. It is an excellent carburetor. These have been substituted for the TX-2 and UX-2 for at least the last 50 years. Today, they are quite scarce (you have a better chance of winning an argument with the IRS than finding one), and quite expensive if you do.

    (5) The OP has a Carter BB1D. This is a universal replacement updraft carburetor. The BB1D (zinc bowl) superseded the BB1A (cast iron bowl) post WWII; otherwise pretty much identical.

    (6) The Carter type BB series of updraft carburetors were available for gravity fuel feed, OR pressure pumps (Chevrolet specified about 3 1/2 psi on factory installations). The difference in the carburetors is in the fuel valves. I have posted before about the importance on ANY carburetor of considering the relationship of float buoyancy, float pin placement, fuel valve seat orifice, and fuel pressure. From memory (too lazy to look them up), the pressure fuel valve seat orifice was 0.086 inch whereas the gravity fuel valve seat orifice was 0.110. When a customer orders a kit, we ask the application so the customer gets the correct orifice.

    (7) Records show that early 1932 Dodge 6 (DL) carbs were holdover 1931 (DH) brass bowl carburetors; later 1932 DL's used a version of the Carter BB1. Neither the brass bowl version or the BB1 were ever used on the Victory 6.

    (8) While not applicable to the OP's vehicle; the Ball and Ball carburetors have been mentioned in this thread for 1933 and newer Chrysler products. These were a Chrysler design, sublet to Carter for production. (Opinion) there were no "good" ones ever made!, and the first one that could be considered average came out in 1939. If any doubt this comment, check the records as to how many variations were tried EACH YEAR trying to make them work! When the "average" one came out in 1939, service replacements for 1933~1938 were issued, using the 1939 technology.

    (9) And since this is a hot rod forum, (opinion) the very best thing one can ever do with one of the 1933 and newer Ball & Ball carburetors is simply replace it! ;)

  19. Jalopy Joker
    Joined: Sep 3, 2006
    Posts: 29,674

    Jalopy Joker

    No synthetic brake fluid. Must run a pressure regulator with electric pump.
    chryslerfan55 likes this.

Share This Page

Register now to get rid of these ads!


Copyright © 1995-2021 The Jalopy Journal: Steal our stuff, we'll kick your teeth in. Terms of Service. Privacy Policy.

Atomic Industry
Forum software by XenForo™ ©2010-2014 XenForo Ltd.