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Buick 300 in a Model A..whos got one?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Von Rigg Fink, Jun 21, 2008.

  1. Von Rigg Fink
    Joined: Jun 11, 2007
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    I started another thread asking about the Great Little 300C.I. buick Engine..I was in a quandry as to ..should i fix up the O/T buick.. or canabalize it for its power train for my Model A?
    So has any one put the Buick Wildcat 310 in their Model A?
    if so ..got pictures? and a tale of how it all went togeather?
    thanks in advance..
     
  2. Toast
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    Sounds good, I am putting a 215 Buick in my A. Great rod motors, in My opinion.
     
  3. Von Rigg Fink
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    Toast.. the 215 and the 300 engines are the same block..correct?
    if so. have you run into any issues with your application yet? do you see any?
    did you still have to cut the firewall?
     
  4. d2_willys
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    215 and 300's are similar, but not the same blocks in at least two ways: 300 is a cast iron block with either aluminum (early 300's) or cast iron heads. The other difference is the transmission bolt pattern, which is BOPC, and that is good. Lots of trannies to hook up.

    215 had the old nailhead pattern.:eek:
     

  5. Von Rigg Fink
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    ahh ok..
    has any one seen this animal in a model A before?
     
  6. 29Coupe
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  7. Von Rigg Fink
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    Btt for the sunday morning bunch
     
  8. Von Rigg Fink
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    Nooo body's done this..man i find that hard to believe
     
  9. J Man
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    It's the weekend, everyone is at car shows or outside.
     
  10. Von Rigg Fink
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    ahh good point.
    our weater was sketchy here today and i had enough shit at home to take care of, so ive been jumping on here 4 or 5 times a day..while doing a bunch of other crap.
     
  11. CheatersPete
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  13. Limey Steve
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    I put a 1965 300 inch Buick in Carol's 32 Fordoor, very little firewall interference, had to run electric fan as offset water pump. Great engine , Lee Pratt found me a 4 barrel intake (he loves them 300" Buick's) & it loves the 600 cfm Edelbrock. Same exhaust manifolds from the 215 engine I removed as it was tired, & about 3/4 " shorter.
     
  14. CheatersPete
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    for sure it is a 300ci buick! ;-)
     
  15. In Great Brittain, they use the Rover 3500 alot, and its the old Buick 215. So try to check out some british rod pages, here:http://www.nsra.org.uk/
    There must be somebody there, who can help you
    Lars
     
  16. Von Rigg Fink
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    No, D2 Willys. that is a 300 in Cheaterspete's frame....
    its kinda one of the reasons i like the 300..
    it looks like a mini Nail Head.
    No cross over pipe in front. intake is integral valley pan. water pump is a bit different
    valve covers are shorter and a bit more skiny than a Nail Head.
    theres a few more little things that scream 300 but i cant put my finger on them right now..(i am still learning about the 300)
    But ive seen the True Nail Heads ..entrely different animal.

    the wildcat 310 (300C.I. Buick) had straight up valves too..and was a 90°V8..so it resembled the Nail head

    im sure some Nail Head guys will correct me if im not entirely correct..and i welcome it, because im trying to learn about the differences too..im begining to grow more and more fond of this little torque monster the more i look and learn about it.

    bring on the knowledge..im feeling like a Buick 300 sponge today!
     
  17. Aaron65
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    The 300 doesn't have straight up and down valves...the pre 1967 valve covers were just angled that way for a family resemblance to the Nailhead...
     
  18. Von Rigg Fink
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    Thanks Aaron65..Some one mis-informed me than.

    Im still learning, and this place i would think to have some of the best teachers.
    Im kinda surprised, that there isnt more HAMBers with knowledge on these engines, and more surprised that there has only been one person that could post a picture of one (even though in mock up) going into a Model A.
     
  19. Aaron65
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    Ah...I wouldn't have known if I didn't own one...:)
     
  20. 215 Buick (w/alum. 300 heads) in a T Roadster.

    I like the Toasted opinion! ;)
     
  21. Von Rigg Fink
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    just saw a nice little T bucket the other day sporting a 425 Nail Head with the switch pitch 400 in it..little button on the shifter for the activation of the trans servo..real sweet..and I bet a freaking hand full to drive.
    suicide front end and all..wicked!..i know this post has nothing to do with the 300..so i have no excuse other than it made me hard!
     
  22. junkcollector82
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    I have built a 300 Buick (355 Wildcat) for a future project. Of course it is disassembled and I can't find any pictures...... but I spent all winter and some of the spring polishing the heads and intake, and anything else aluminum. Lots of work but it looks great. I bought finned Offy valve covers from Summit, and using and adapter I put 2 holley 94's on top of the 4 bbl intake. I can't wait to put it back together and hear it run. It's a few more bucks than a 350 chev.....but I was wanting something a little different. ANd when you figure it's compact size and lighter weight this engine should make a 2000 lb car fly. Oh, and I'm hooking it to a T-5 from an s-10. Just thought I'd toss in my two bits, and tell folks not to overlook this little attention grabber.
     
  23. dutchtreat
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    I had a 300 buick in a '59 Escort wagon. Pulled the motor and sold the crank and heads to a guy with a T-7 who was building a T-8 clone but with more cubes.
    300 was a cast iron block for lower cost. The heads flow better than the 215's--I have been told.
     
  24. trad27
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    not quite a model A but close enough. does anybody know were to get aluminum valve covers at are they the same as 215??

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  25. Chassis Engineering front motor mounts for the Buick V6 should work. I used them on my Olds 215. A little grinding was required to clear a freeze plug boss and they bolted right up.
     
  26. d2_willys
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    Yep, my mistake, saw the oil filter at the front, that tells me newer Buick V8, not a nailhead.
     
  27. rainh8r
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    I had a 300 in my 29 RPU that was never completed and it fits fine. The early valve covers do look like a nailhead, The intake selection is limited to 2 and 4 barrel only, but since they are aluminum, you can make something if you're crafty (like a 2x2). The distributor is in the front, which makes it easy to work on and to fit. Good power, esp. the 250hp version, and aluminum heads were OEM on the 64 versions if you can find good ones. I have friends that swear by these engines, still driving originals after 25 years and getting over 20mpg. The switch pitch torque converter was available in the T400's in the bigger Buicks w/300's. I still have 2 of them waiting for a new home.
     
  28. franklgr
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    I'm surprised nobody has mentioned about the 300 crank in the 215 block. Small amount of block relief needed and crank regrind for smaller barrings. Use chev rods and viola you have a stroked 215. It works out to about 261 cubic inches i think. With a four barrel and a T-5 trans this should be purfect in an A. I am in the process of building motor mounts right now for a 215 in my 29 rpu. I'll try to get some pictures soon.
     
  29. Greg55_99
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    Yep, 215 valve covers are the same as the 300\340. You can get them at D&D in Michigan.

    http://www.aluminumv8.com/index.htm

    Also of note is TA Performance is about to release a new big valve head for the 215\300\340\Rover.

    Greg
     
  30. kevin48846
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    I've got a 300 cube wildcat 310 out of a low miles '66 buick special that im considering using in a 30 model A ,I'll be starting a build thread on this
    project in a few weeks. Has anyone put a 5 speed behind one yet? If so... how?
     

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