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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Dr Goggles, Sep 28, 2007.

  1. Dr Goggles
    Joined: Sep 27, 2007
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    Sheesh , I tried to post a response to Boris aaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnddddd....boy o' boy did I stuff up...apols to anyone who copped what I posted ( I cut and pasted something from my email by mistake) ....it was probably the fastest ever edit/delete in HAMB history....of course what I was trying to post was the long winded explanation of how I made the steering wheel...of course that was gone ......I'll get to it...
     
  2. I hope you understand it was a compliment... of sorts. ;)

    Don't you hate it when you type up some lengthy response to something and then something weird happens and you lose the lost. It's happened to me a bunch of times and I can never quite get across the original meaning second time around. :mad:
     
  3. grumm441
    Joined: Apr 13, 2008
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    Don't you hate it more when the response you type is to something completely different and you have to quickly delete it before anyone sees it
    .
    Oh and hi all.
    I'm the short fat bloke in the cap holding the walkie talkie in the black and white photo in Goggs post

    Grumm
     
  4. ceegrey
    Joined: Sep 26, 2008
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    You know Life really is a do it yourself thing and you have really done it. Congratulations hope to see it at the lake one day Regards C.G
     
  5. Dr Goggles
    Joined: Sep 27, 2007
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    Thanks CG ...I have to get some more stuff posted here, I have to admit it's been a quiet year on the tank but we're slowly building up steam again.....I'll get some stuff up soon.....are you building something for the lake........
     
  6. nexxussian
    Joined: Mar 14, 2007
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    Glad to hear the tank is still progressing, looking forward to more pics.

    I left Pops unattended at B-ville and he bought a Berkeley, so looks like I'm going to be working on a straighliner myself :D.
     
  7. N312RB
    Joined: Dec 12, 2007
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    from Burlington

    this is badass! What does a good tank cost? I might start a project like this in my spare time
     
  8. nexxussian
    Joined: Mar 14, 2007
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    :confused:What's that?:confused::D
     
  9. Dr Goggles
    Joined: Sep 27, 2007
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    I was gonna start some rave about how much time and money went into this but then ....who the hell wants to hear that...and who the hell on this board ever built ANYTHING cool that didn't take a lot of time or effort or money or skill or all or any of that combination.

    Sure ,someone is going to get up on their hind legs and say "my next door neighbour/cousin/dad/sister's boyfriend's best mates mechanic built the coolest rat rod one weekend from parts he found in a field and it'll whup yo ass".............. The truth is there are only a couple of things in life that are fun and free ,or even cheap......

    When you start building something like our bellytank you have some basic assumptions , then the fever takes hold. Next thing you join victim-support groups , you start finding yourself amongst bad company...the kind of people who'll do things that you never thought you'd stoop to, the kind of people who see what you used to think was decadent and extravagant as commonplace .Your judgment is affected , you're gone.

    We don't care. It cost at least five times what we thought it would. It took five times as long and it's not properly finished.We have only driven it on one day for a total of four( or six I can't remember I was so excited) times.We've made almost every single part by ourselves,in the back shed, there is no other bellytank the same.

    There is no catalog, no template, no bunch of bitchy ,sneering "that's not the correct-ol'-skool-back-in-the-day-way" bunch of high school peer group types.... it has opened up a mad mad world of do it yourselfer types who couldn't give a flying f what anyone thinks because they're having the times of their lives....and we're in there with 'em.

    go for it Remington' :cool:
     
  10. johnk320
    Joined: Jul 23, 2007
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    johnk320
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    from Erie PA

    Very, very cool!!! I've been talking to my son about building a belly tank after I finish my gasser. Found a site that sells fiberglass tanks and SCTA certified frames for a reasonable price (http://www.hotrodssuperstore.com/p38beltanfib.html). Looks like this might be an affordable way to get started. Our goal isn't to set records, just to have fun. Thinking an inline 6 cyl backed by an auto trans. Haven't got past the dreaming stage. Will be keeping close tabs on your efforts. Good luck from Erie, PA, USA.
     
  11. Dr Goggles
    Joined: Sep 27, 2007
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    Wayno, who signs on here( and landracing.com) as Elmo Rodge sells 'em...he posted on this thread so look him up and tell him I sent you .

    the Dr
     
  12. johnk320
    Joined: Jul 23, 2007
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    johnk320
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    from Erie PA

    Thanks, Doc. I'll do that....
     
  13. Rule No. 1 - build it, passion should not be directed by practicality or rational reasoning....every time I hear someone say "you spend all that time and money but only race once a year...." I know that they just don't grasp what you're doing

    More progress Dr.....do tell

    Cheers,

    Drewfus
     
  14. Dr Goggles
    Joined: Sep 27, 2007
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    here's a photo' from The DlRA's Speedweek 2009, we ran the car and there's a story below which has been put up elsewhere....hope ya like it all...


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    OK, the week started with rain,we got in Sat night and copped it as we tried to erect the tent. A miserable night with on and off rain and blustery winds. Sunday there was a general feeling of disarray as we all wondered, walked back and forth to the lake to check the situation and chit chat went on on the UHF , the good thing though was that it was blowing a southerly and it wasn't raining. There was grumbling as word went around about a film crew who'd shot a car ad and apparently dumped thousands of litres of water at the entrance ramp to the lake when they washed their gear the day they left.

    Come Monday the situation improved again and the word was that we could get onto the lake on Tuesday.We headed out and set up our pit, unloaded the car and got everything organised.There were a couple of hitches. We'd never attached the canopy with the tub on the car and that proved to be a hassle as we weren't in any hurry to hoist the car onto the stands,after we'd done that we went looking for the third fire bottle that Grumm had brought from Melbourne, it was the wrong size. Our fire system supplier had sent us a new one when one failed a test.It was too big and wouldn't fit into the spot where it was supposed to go, technically we could run without it as we weren't going 200 this year, so we removed the mount.In a happy ending another crew had a non-compliant fire system and the bottle we couldn't use got them through.

    We were the last car scrutineered on Tuesday, apart from a few small issues which were noted in the log-book for attention we cruised through. It was a strange feeling as they handed us the sticker and said, "congratulations boys , you can go racing".

    Wednesday morning we started early and took the car to the test track.I got in , belted up, fired her up and took off. The test track was very rough and our car has no suspension and less than two inches of clearance . It was immediately apparent that the clearance on the cheek bars in the cage were too tight and the rock hard SFI padding was transferring vibration to the helmet, I couldn't see, anything. It felt as though there were two people using my head as a speed-ball.I got back to where everyone was waiting and flipped the canopy up..." it's f***** , I can't see "........it was a very low feeling .Apart from that the car seemed great , it wanted to go, sounded good and felt right. We took it back to the pit and pulled out the SFI padding on the cheek bars and put in the softer "you'll go to hell" red stuff and went straight back to the test track. This time I could see , I had to concentrate on trying not to lift my head up and try to see over the tacho, that made for less vibration....it stepped out nicely as I gunned it back towards the crew.

    "Let's put it in line" , it was about 4pm before we were called in our group of ten to the start line. From the marshalling area I drove straight into the crunchies and couldn't see... we are too low to easily see the graded areas and once there is fine vibration the cones are hard to spot, fortunately the guy behind me drove past....I followed him to the start line keeping my distance as he seemed to be able to brake a whole lot better than me.

    The vibration issue had me deeply concerned, I had the worst case of pre-gig jitters I've ever had and was at that point convinced I was going to struggle to see well enough to avoid taking out either trackmarkers or timing gear, I decided that I would abort if it was too severe ,my guts were churning.

    Next thing I'm on the line, it's really hot and my sunglasses are fogging so I push them to the end of my nose, I'm trying to remember a million things at once...there's banter going on between the starters and Cookey the timer "it's Dr Goggles for his inaugural run....give him a pat on the head for me "......then Cled the chief starter gives me the rolling signal.

    The car goes and sounds good I take it to four grand in second ( we start in second gear) and shove the stick forward against the lock out , grab the front stick and it snicks into third ..............as I get into it I realise there is no vibration ,the track is as smooth as a baby's bum. I've got the shift light set at 3750 which should be 125 in top gear, it blinks as I change into fourth. It comes on again as I pass the mile marker.

    The quarter trap is at the 3 mile, the start is at the one so I've got a mile of this before the lights .I settle in , I listen to the motor as I hover around 3750, make a note that there are fumes and that I may have burned the clutch on the trip to the line. I'm sticking to the right side of the track looking out through the screen to the right of the tacho and watching the little cor-flute markers zing by.....at one point there was a bollard that was a little too close for comfort but the car was right at home,it felt like a kiddies ride. 30 degrees of steering castor make for something that just wants to go straight , no shimmies no drift in the wind...it was tame.

    The 3mile came up , the light went off briefly so I kicked it a bit. I stood on the clutch pedal and rolled for a few seconds before I shifted back to third the car slowed gradually over the mile and I turned out after the four , I got off the return road for a bit into the crunchies , at eighty miles an hour it's pretty severe, found the road again and headed back to the pits where I rolled up to the end of the staging line. Grumm lifted the canopy ...."nice one , you did 114". A huge weight had been lifted, the car that we built in the back yard , went, it did what it was supposed to do, it had no bad habits, it wasn't broken and the vision aspect wasn't an issue on the properly prepared track.

    Next it was the Reverends turn to do his 125 pass , he was to run in Fuel class which has never been contested at Gairdner.Just as we were called to the start line the battery refused to start the car , we towed him there and did a battery change at the start line area, there is no "idiot light" so the alternator wasn't charging under 2000rpm We wound the shift light up to 4000....I'd left the gearing charts at home and the 3750 figure was from memory. Due to the number of entrants it was 24 hours after my 125 pass before he got to run...me behaving like a dad at junior sports day the Rev at his Zen like best...wandering around seemingly unconcerned about anything...." get in the bloody car Dik".

    Off he went. It was an indescribable feeling to see the car speeding away from me and although it’s a V6 that’s still very stock it sounded sweet. He too ran 114 which as a matter of course was a record, when he got to the pits it was straight onto the end of the line . We were number 22 when the course was closed for the day.

    My 150 license pass had a little sweetener . No-one has run an E class Gas Lakester since 1998 and the record was set at 145mph. Within the stipulations I could run to 165 for my license which is what I intended to do. I left the line and the car felt great , I got into it a little harder than I had and was pulling 138 after the first mile and the motor was singing with the speed climbing steadily. I got to the three mile at 160 , the GPS was showing 162 163 when the car began missing ……momentarily I thought “Dodge, don’t let me down now” when I remembered that I hadn’t flicked the fuel pump over-ride and the pump was cutting out at 5200 rpm.

    I got to the pits and again Grumm opened the canopy and said “congratulations you did 161”, once again the car was a pussycat , straight as a die.

    It was Friday and there were thirty cars ahead of us, word went around that if the competitors stayed to help dismantle the track equipment that everybody in the line would get a run.

    The Rev was suited up , the signage on the car changed to E/FL and off he went on his 150 pass , a bit of an over rev on 3 to 4 but the car sounded sweet. We set off in the chase car as the radio announced he’d run 152 , a quick check over the pits as we passed to make sure he hadn’t beaten us there as we headed out the return road…..no not there, about two miles out we saw the “Taxi” headed toward us …he’d run after the Rev…..we turned around..”he must be in the pits” just then Grumm came along on a scooter” where is he?” …”we couldn’t see him in the pits”….OK “ “I’ll go back and check again , you go on and call Northern rescue”…..we called the rescue guys” Support crew for the red and white Lakester , we cannot find the car”, they came screaming toward us with lights flashing and as they got closer they pointed out towards one of the islands….There he was , a mile off into the crunchies.

    As we got to the car I hung out the window with a thumbs up “Heeeeyyyyyyy”……but he wasn’t in it, he was nowhere to be seen , and there were no footprints. Standing there with puzzled looks on our faces we made jokes about him being abducted by aliens…..then another support vehicle turned up , he got out with a huge grin on his face, he’d missed the five mile turn off, got the sixth but promptly lost sight of the road and after being belted around inside the car his knee broke the back off our kill switch and the car wouldn’t start.

    That was the end of the week , we’d achieved everything that was possible in the time we had , the car held up we were all still friends and we’d had one hell of a time.
     
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2009
  15. Dirtynails
    Joined: Jan 31, 2009
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    from garage

    Such a good read I felt like I was reading it Twice!!!:)



    :D:D:D:D
     
  16. Bobby Green
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    Fun,... Ain't it ?
     
  17. Dr Goggles
    Joined: Sep 27, 2007
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    sure is Bobby... love your tank........
     
  18. Tarlo
    Joined: Dec 7, 2008
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    Well done. I was there too mate, my first time out there with a mate who's been there since day one, and it was a truly life changing trip. I'll put up a huge post of shots when I get my chip back from my traveling companion... I've got shots of your car in there too, plus amazing landscapes and various other killer stuff.
     
  19. nexxussian
    Joined: Mar 14, 2007
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  20. Good work Dr Goggles - and the tank looks fantastic!
     
  21. hotrodjeep
    Joined: Feb 3, 2009
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    hotrodjeep
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    from Tama, Iowa

    Awesome awesome awesome.
    My wife and I were in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com[​IMG]</st1:country-region>Australia</ST1:pla in Feb. and Mar. of 2007, I knew about speed week but did not attend. We did visit a gentleman¬ís farm north of Broken Hill ( I forget his name ) and as we were walking towards the barn we passed the garage and inside was this: (first couple photos)
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    About a week later we caught these pics at a hotel in Broken Hill. Sorry for the dark pics we were returning from the pub at a late hour (last pics)
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    We also went to the Silverton Hotel, great place ( my wife passed the pub test ) I talked with a group of guys about Ice biking here in Iowa, (dirt bikes, and motorcycles with studded tires on frozen river tracks, fun to watch but cold!!!!!) We will be back at some point, hopefully to see the salt. And have many many beers. Last on in my wife in front of the Silveton Hotel
     

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  22. hotrodjeep
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    from Tama, Iowa

    Oh I forgot to say how much I love your post and your build.
    More More More
     
  23. Nice Tank!

    I noticed you forgot something on the check list so I took the liberty to add to it...

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    Oh and this thing looks like Mad Max drove it! Very cool!

     
  24. Good stuff! cool car! congratulations on a succesful trip.
     
  25. Dr Goggles
    Joined: Sep 27, 2007
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    That would be Trevor Clare's place,he owns that bike with Chris Fraser who is the Publican at the Silverton Hotel, just yesterday I was speaking to him. In that shot it has a scoop like the one on the interceptor( the black Ford there that is built up as a copy of the "Mad Max/ Roadwarrior car), that bike used to have a 6/71 on it, dunno if you noticed but it has a torque convertor in it.
    That streamliner was built by and belongs to Lucky Keizer he used to have a drag bike with the front two pots of a Merlin, he got the 'liner through two license passes at Speedweek this year
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    </o>
    Chris and Jo's son Cec' ran at the meet this year at the ripe old age of 15, great place Silverton....you might have even met my mate Tiny.

    Thanks to everyone else, Nexx good to see you've bought that Berk, Tarlo get those shots up, roundlight, that's one item we never forget,Dirtynails ..maybe you were seeing double;)



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  26. radar33
    Joined: Mar 12, 2009
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    from Bruns Ohio

  27. parksquijada
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    from norcal

    when does the blower go on? :rolleyes:

    beeeeeauuutiful car! :)



    if you need any help over here...pm.......we'll be your wingmen :cool:
     
  28. mr.smith
    Joined: Jul 1, 2008
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    great bellytank, keep up the tradition
     
  29. Dr Goggles
    Joined: Sep 27, 2007
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    I just need to get down to Aluminium dealer, root through their off-cuts bin and find a sizeable piece of 7/16 plate.

    The intricate part of the process then begins where I seek out some extreme grade cardboard as a modelling medium, I might even go completely crazy and lash out on some cor-flute. I still have one stock manifold left and frankly getting flanges made for the inlet just sounds like a whole lot of hard work that I don't want to do, so, I'll chop the top off the stocker as low as I can and lay the walls out at the steepest angle I can in an effort to get a bit of volume in the plenum and still keep the blower low.. Somehow I'm going to have to find the room for the throttle bodies, I'm hoping I can just fit them on top.Another quantum leap we might make is extra injectors...but at this point I'm starting to feel a little light headed with option anxiety ......back to the blower manifold.

    Make the plenum parts I want out of cardboard concentrating on symmetry, then fashion the mount for the blower itself ...our main issue is fitting it all under the cowl so we're looking for low profile.It's best if this piece is made from at least 7/16 AL plate or there are going to be sealing issues.....Once the design is kind of happy and the pieces are all "normalized"( straight edges, symmetrical,) then I cut them out with the jig saw .....band saws are for the upper classes;)...there's little need to bevel or chamfer except for where pieces meet square.It's a wonderful thing the mig, tack it all together add a few more....then blaze away. It goes against smart procedure to weld in continous runs but the sealing is much better.The plenum is welded from the inside then the top plate is welded from the outside .

    Anyway, that's how I do it....there's probably a better way:rolleyes:
     
  30. Wow, that turned out nice.

    Congrats on a successful debut.

    I have recently decided that DLRA Speed Week is going to be my 'Boys Weekend' from now on. My wife gets together with her friends once a year, so I've decided me and some mates will have to make Speed Week our once a year outing. :)

    See you next year.
     

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