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Bear with me AA/Fuel Altered Questions

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by FunnyCar65, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. FunnyCar65
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    63-66 era where they direct drive,or transmission?Any chassis photos out there that show how the rear end was mounted as well as front suspention?I know very little about these little bastards so sorry if the questions might be dumb.
     
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  2. really should be a NHRA/AHRA book of specs to go by.....or the basis to cheat from...

    did I say that....
     
  3. rd martin
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    most early cars were cross spring front, solid rearend mount. look up the thread on the buntline special.
     
  4. All fuel altereds I ever saw, and I raced a few of them, had solid rear axles and sprung - tortion bar front ends
     

  5. If your planning on building real fuel altered and don't know anything about them,,,be very very careful. They are the baddest of the bad to drive and would like nothing better than to hurt you if given a chance. These things are not called AWFUL ALTEREDS for no reason.

    Buy a good set of asbestos underwearm sit real low and duck...... :)
     
  6. Look at pictures of the Winged Express there a plenty of them .They didn't call Willie Borsh " Wild Willie" for nothing those things are animals with a wid heart .
     
  7. SLCK64
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    Subscribed, cause I have yet the set to even get close to one.


    Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
     
  8. Mad Mouse
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    Most were sprung on the front, either with VW torsion bar, or springs. In that era they were all direct drive, no reverse and solid mount rear end.
     
  9. NORSON
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    Mine was built in the style (1965) but was only injected BBC. Solid rear and home hatched VW torsion front.
     

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  10. falcongeorge
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    yup, X2
     
  11. Steves32
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    Start w/ Pete Eastwoods restoration of the Mondello & Matsubara fuel altered

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  12. FunnyCar65
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    Thanks guys, the Buntline thread is a big help.My Dad,brother and I plan to build a T bodied 64-65 era altered Cackle car.Something along the lines of what we would have ran if my brother and I would have been around to race at the time.Thank you to everyone that's replied so far.
     
  13. rd martin
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    sent you a pm.
     
  14. dreracecar
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    I have built a few
     

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  15. Pete Eastwood
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    Why not find & restore an original AA/FA , they're still out there !
     
  16. TheTrailerGuy
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    hmmmmmmmmmmm.... me likey
     
  17. dreracecar
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    This one is for sale right now
     

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  18. FunnyCar65
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    Would love to Mr. Eastwood but our budget won't let that happen.
     
  19. These are some great pictures!

    Sam
     
  20. dreracecar
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    Cackle Car and Budget are two things that will never go together
     

  21. They could if NASA build a cackler. :)

    Hey quick question for ya Dre...,
    Is ta balast hangin' on the front of that topey?
     
  22. saltflats
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    Damn how can you not love that Fiat!!!
     
  23. pitman
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    AA/FA Altered?
    Never mind the cost of replacing soiled shorts. ;)
     
  24. Jeem
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    Thanks! Love rolling chassis pics. I'm weird that way.
     
  25. dreracecar
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    P&B yes that is a weight bar. Weight up front makes the rear plant harder.
     
  26. NORSON
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    Jeem
    I guess I'm weird too. I always thought it was a shame to cover up the good stuff. Norm
     
  27. 296ardun
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    Original Panic, direct drive, aluminum can, cross-spring front end, pretty basic stuff...Les Hawkins built the original chassis, ...learned from Willie, when it got crooked, stay with it, easier to drive out of trouble than to back off, because the short wheelbase and high c/g made it easy to come around quickly if you lifted...however if you got too crooked, the track (Irwindale, in this case), suspended your license, hitting the guardrails was ok, crossing the centerline wasn't
     
  28. 296ardun
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    The smart guys (not us) figured out that if you build an AA/FA with a cross spring front end, the spring mount at the center of the front cross-member acts as a pivot, so when the torque twists the rear end, the car pivots on that fulcrum, unloading the right wheel as the engine torques left...and in a short wheelbase car, you quickly get sideways. So the smart guys either used a torsion bar or mounted coil springs at the ends of the cross member (see above) to take away the center pivot point. As for us dumb guys, we just ran out of money before we crashed the altered (that's when Gary Hazen bought Panic, build a new chassis, and became a hero)
     
  29. pitman
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    296A,
    If you ran a front end set of say, Ex: 90/10 shocks, wouldn't the torque twist either type of springing and induce the veer? If the shocks are positioned correctly, they seem to be a first line, of 'damping' against the twist. And I'd guess would plant one tire, while unloading the other.
     
  30. hog mtn dave
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    Can't get enough of the nekkid Fuel Altered porn pics...
     

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